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Which do you think is better?

Vita 78 32.77%
 
PSX 12 5.04%
 
PS2 24 10.08%
 
PS3 34 14.29%
 
360 8 3.36%
 
Genesis 14 5.88%
 
Saturn 9 3.78%
 
Dreamcast 27 11.34%
 
Atari 2600 13 5.46%
 
Not a Nintendo console. 19 7.98%
 
Total:238
kupomogli said:
MDMAlliance said:

This one ignores the point of Mario Kart's system and also does not list some of the other racing games the 3DS does have.  

By far the most biased part of your lists.  You said all of the Vita games are better than the 3DS in this list, but you said you haven't even played Kid Icarus Uprising.  You also have a very unpopular opinion of saying Revelations sucks.

You listed an unreleased Vita game, but only listed released 3DS games.  Why not include Bravely Default then? 

It may be his opinion, but even for an opinion, it isn't stacked up fairly and it also says "Buyer's Guide" (meaning he shouldn't be letting his bias seep in so strongly if he's giving advice).

Mario Kart's system is its flaw.  It penalizes better players rather than the entire reason for multiplayer, win because you're the better player. (better players still win.  The system just allows players who aren't as good to still enjoy the game by having a fighting chance) I didn't add several games on either side because I didn't think of them.  Dragon's Crown is a  great game and I didn't list that anywhere on the Vita section.  I also didn't bother adding games that aren't very good or if I haven't played them heard they aren't very good.  The only racing games I can think of that I've missed on the 3DS is Driver Renegade, Ridge Racer, and Asphalt Injection, haven't played any of them, but Ridge Racer and Asphalt Injection are both on the Vita as well, they don't look good, and they look better on Vita.  Do you still want me to add those to the lists? (I'm not asking you to add them all, but given you want to make this a Buyer's Guide, it is better to make the lists more even rather than not including games simply because you don't want to or don't think they're good.  That also is a lie anyway because you listed RE: R and said it sucks).

You don't know how to put two and two together?  I made it a point to say I've heard it was a good game.  Obviously when I said nothing is better than the Vita games I've listed, I meant the ones on that list I've played.  (That is in no way obvious.  Try again)

The only unreleased game I listed was Killzone Mercenary, (I didn't notice Atelier Meruru released recently) which I've played so I think it counts.  I don't know if Bravely Default is any good.  The ones that people praise all the time, even though I haven't played them, I listed them and made note that I haven't played them,(you may have listed them, but you discredited them) but only if the games were released.  I originally had God of War Collection and Borderlands 2 on the list, but removed them as I've played t hose games, even if I didn't play them on the Vita, but I decided to be fair since the games aren't even close to release.

Well, seeing that I own both the 3DS and Vita that I've used to play these games, do you know where that bias comes from?  It comes from playing the  games and, you know, the games not being as good. (Clearly, you don't know how bias works if you think that's where it came from)  Usually that's why people don't like games, because the game isn't really good in their opinion. (You may not like a game, but it is pretty clear that it isn't completely because of the game itself.  Try to deny it, but anyone who's played the games you listed can see where I'm coming from) That could be where the bias comes from.  I added one Vita game I haven't played to the list, Rayman Legends while I added more Nintendo games because of how much praise they receive.  I'd say if anything I was more favorable towards Nintendo. (That's why the PS Vita still won in almost every category, right?  Hardware wise, I probably wont argue much with you.  Games?  You may personally not like them, but you have to be as impersonal as possible if you want to make a "Buyer's Guide)





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pokoko said:
MDMAlliance said:
pokoko said:
Dude, what the hell? You know being positive about the Vita isn't allowed. The trolls will be storming the gates soon.


It is less about being positive about the Vita and more about the content not matching the title.  This kind of comparison is unbalanced, unfair, and frankly is just his way of saying "don't buy a 3DS."  
It is hidden by him saying that the "3DS is a good portable."  But nonetheless, he still makes it seem like the 3DS only has 2 or 3 games that are any better than Vita games.  I recognize the argument in some areas, but most of them are just bad.

Unfair?  Maybe, though we're dealing with his opinion.  Quite honestly, when broken down by genre that way, I think it's hard to argue that the Vita line-up is very diverse.  Is the format unfair, in that it penalizes the 3DS for having most of its best games in a few genres?  Possibly, though that's still very subjective.

Regardless, I bet a lot of the people flying into an uproar over how "unfair" this thread is say very little when someone else uses the standard "Vita has no games" line, despite that being a clear sign of ignorance.

Anyway, my post was about trolls, not people with legitimate arguments.  Unfortunately, any Vita thread fills up with trolls all rushing to take their shots.



Vita+WiiU = Terrible Sales as of Now 3DS+PS4(as it seems now)= great sales. People always gonna troll, its called Internet lol. All I know is 3DS about to go to overdrive in sales!



pokoko said:
Mr Khan said:
you're usually better than this, kupomogli. I mean, you listed a bunch of ports for Vita RPGs, then turned around and called it "comparable", to mostly original 3DS games.

I'm not quite sure I understand.  Are ports automatically bad?


I think the point is that including ports of games in a Buyer's Guide makes little sense if you can play it elsewhere. 



kupomogli said:
MDMAlliance said:

This one ignores the point of Mario Kart's system and also does not list some of the other racing games the 3DS does have.  

By far the most biased part of your lists.  You said all of the Vita games are better than the 3DS in this list, but you said you haven't even played Kid Icarus Uprising.  You also have a very unpopular opinion of saying Revelations sucks.

You listed an unreleased Vita game, but only listed released 3DS games.  Why not include Bravely Default then? 

It may be his opinion, but even for an opinion, it isn't stacked up fairly and it also says "Buyer's Guide" (meaning he shouldn't be letting his bias seep in so strongly if he's giving advice).

Mario Kart's system is its flaw.  It penalizes better players rather than the entire reason for multiplayer, win because you're the better player.  I didn't add several games on either side because I didn't think of them.  Dragon's Crown is a  great game and I didn't list that anywhere on the Vita section.  I also didn't bother adding games that aren't very good or if I haven't played them heard they aren't very good.  The only racing games I can think of that I've missed on the 3DS is Driver Renegade, Ridge Racer, and Asphalt Injection, haven't played any of them, but Ridge Racer and Asphalt Injection are both on the Vita as well, they don't look good, and they look better on Vita.  Do you still want me to add those to the lists?

Ridge Racer is miles better on the 3DS. Vita's Ridge Racer is very different from 3DS's, it has so few content that it seems more like a tech demo, while 3DS version has a lot of stuff(20h+ to finish the game) on it.



So those that have a problem with me listing my opinion towards the games, would it be better if the game list was just this?  Though if you think about it, this would be biased since there's no opinion piece on the games themselves.  Anyone would think I just like all games on the list.

Fighting

3DS - Super Street Fighter 4, and Dead or Alive Dimensions.

Vita - Street Fighter x Tekken, Ultimate Marvel vs Capcom 3, Mortal Kombat, Blaz Blue Continuum Shift Extend, and Dead or Alive 5 Plus.

2D Platformers

3DS - New Super Mario Bros. 2, Cave Story 3D, Lords of Shadow: Mirror of Fate, Sonic Generations, Rayman Origins, and Shinobi. 

Vita - Little Big Planet Vita, Rayman Origins, and Rayman Legends.

3D Action/Platformers

3DS - Super Mario 3D Land, Lego City Undercover, other Lego games.

Vita - Gravity Rush, Ninja Gaiden Sigma Plus, Ninja Gaiden Sigma 2 Plus, and Jak and Daxter Trilogy.

Racing

3DS -  Mario Kart 7, and Sonic and All Star Racing Transformed.

Vita - Wipeout 2048, Wipeout HD/Fury, Need For Speed Most Wanted, Modnation Racers, and Sonic and All Star Racing Transformed.

Shooters

3DS - Kid Icarus Uprising, Star Fox 64, Resident Evil Revelations, and Resident Evil Mercenaries 3D.

Vita - Uncharted Golden Abyss, Killzone Mercenary, and Unit 13.

RPG

3DS - Shin Megami Tensei 4, Devil Summoner Soul Hackers, Fire Emblem Awakening, Tales of the Abyss, and Etrian Odyssey 4.

Vita - Persona 4 The Golden, Disgaea 3, Atelier Totori, Atelier Meruru.

Action/Adventure, Stealth, Hunting, Other 

3DS - Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, Luigi's Mansion, Metal Gear Solid 3, and Animal Crossing.

Vita - Ragnarok Odyssey, Soul Sacrifice, Metal Gear Solid Collection. 



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MDMAlliance said:
pokoko said:
Mr Khan said:
you're usually better than this, kupomogli. I mean, you listed a bunch of ports for Vita RPGs, then turned around and called it "comparable", to mostly original 3DS games.

I'm not quite sure I understand.  Are ports automatically bad?


I think the point is that including ports of games in a Buyer's Guide makes little sense if you can play it elsewhere.

I'm sorry, but that's a flawed argument.  You can't assume that a person has another system and, even if you could, you can't assume that they would buy it on that other system.  If the comparison is handhelds, then other versions on home consoles are irrelevant.  I've never played Persona 4 until I bought it on the Vita.  Even if I had, the Vita version is superior, as is Muramasa Rebirth or the Vita version of DoA.



kupomogli said:

So those that have a problem with me listing my opinion towards the games, would it be better if the game list was just this?


What about Sports other than Racing?



pokoko said:
Mr Khan said:
you're usually better than this, kupomogli. I mean, you listed a bunch of ports for Vita RPGs, then turned around and called it "comparable", to mostly original 3DS games.

I'm not quite sure I understand.  Are ports automatically bad?

No, but i should say that they are inherently inferior to original content, if they have to be compared head to head.

On their own merits, those games would about match (though when your list has to include two ateliers. Ehh...)

I agree that it's skewed, though not worth discarding out of hand, and he would better help his case to make such concessions.



Monster Hunter: pissing me off since 2010.

pokoko said:
MDMAlliance said:
pokoko said:
Mr Khan said:
you're usually better than this, kupomogli. I mean, you listed a bunch of ports for Vita RPGs, then turned around and called it "comparable", to mostly original 3DS games.

I'm not quite sure I understand.  Are ports automatically bad?


I think the point is that including ports of games in a Buyer's Guide makes little sense if you can play it elsewhere.

I'm sorry, but that's a flawed argument.  You can't assume that a person has another system and, even if you could, you can't assume that they would buy it on that other system.  If the comparison is handhelds, then other versions on home consoles are irrelevant.  I've never played Persona 4 until I bought it on the Vita.  Even if I had, the Vita version is superior, as is Muramasa Rebirth or the Vita version of DoA.


You suppose to go by exclusives first, and then mention only the superior ports.

The 3DS version of Sonic Racing Transformed runs at 60 fps after you play the game for 1 or so hours with the current firmware (6.2.0-12)

The 3DS version of Ridge Racer is also far superior compare to the Vita version.

This was suppose to be a full comparison showing the important stuff only like Persona 4 Vita. But it ended being about buying a Vita for the same reasons you should buy a PSP.



Well this thread has turned into a shitfield with no redemption caused both by the thread starter and commenters so I'll just leave this here.



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