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Will Nintendo win the Next Gen if they Bring the Price of the Deluxe Edition of Wii U down to $250.00 for the Holidays?

Yes. Definitely. 92 18.36%
 
No. Definitely not. 173 34.53%
 
It would be suicide for N... 86 17.17%
 
It would be the Best Move... 55 10.98%
 
Still too early to tell. 95 18.96%
 
Total:501
landguy1 on 06 September 2013
Mr Khan said:
landguy1 said:
Mr Khan said:
landguy1 said:
WiiU isn't in trouble. It's DOA... If it was going to become a mainstream success, it would have done so before the PS4 and XB1 arrived. The price cut only helps to give consumers a good/better/best pricing option at $300/$400/$500. Unless the little kids that still have the Wii beg for the WiiU, there won't be a good reason. Little kids don't frequent gaming websites to get to understand what the WiiU has to offer. They watch TV. I have all 3 of the current gen systems and have 4 kids(3,7,9,15). NOT 1 of them has even asked me about or brought up the WiiU. They all play on the gaming systems that we have and watch enough TV. The WiiU is DOA.

I know that my my situation is only one example. But, as I am into gaming and gaming industry stuff, I ask around. My sisters 2 kids=NO, My 6-7 friends kids=NO. The only things brought up has been PS4 and XB1.

I think that people that are die hard Nintendo fans have to remember one thing. The Wii sold 100 Million units, but didn't impress 100 million people with it's long term value. 50-60 million of those people were casuals that played Wii sports/fitness and maybe a dance game on the Wii. They didn't find a lot of compelling software for them after that. So, the purchase was like many items that are bought during a fad, quickly set aside and forgotten. Are they looking for another item from a company that sold them something that didn't work out for them? Probably not, as the ipad/tablet/smartphone has done that for them. Don't get me wrong, the Wii had plenty of great 1st party games, but that isn't what people bought the system for.

DoA is a bold assertion. I'd retract.

Why retract?

1.  The OP is WiiU related and so is my response.

2.  I didn't make just the DOA comment and then atleast try to rationalize my opinion with some type of explanation. 

3.  I didn't make some type of negative comment about a person or company.

So, i don't think a retraction is something that should be required.  If anything, i would have preferred that you countered my view with a group of facts or counterviews that had with a explained response.

If you had merely excised that part, i would have no issue with the thread. "DoA" means "failure to launch," in my mind, which is categorically untrue for any major-manufacturer console, which i feel is over-the-top

That's the benefit of opinions, we all have them.  I don't share yours.  We are here to discuss things about game ore whatever based on the thread. 

I think the concept of the WiiU is DOA.  They can't change their mind and drop parts of the console and keep selling them.  So, I think that it failed in design and that's my viewpoint. I never said it won't sell 20+ million of them, but after the Wii, anything less than 50 Million is a complete failure in the consumers eyes.  In 12 months or so, we will find out if the XB1 is DOA based on thier insistence to include the Kinect.  The only difference for them is that they can change by dropping that requirement.  I have yet to purchase a WiiU, but if my kids beome intrested at some point, I would consider it for them.  I personally wouldn't play it much, but if I had one I could be convinced otherwise.  I think that the average consumer probably won't purchase a WiiU based on the reason in my earlier post.   As we all know, only time will tell.



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Mythmaker1 on 06 September 2013
Play4Fun said:
Mythmaker1 said:
Play4Fun said:
 


1. What's the community at large suppose to mean? Forums? Moot point, if so.

2. Has there been some mass vocal reluctance from publishers about the gamepad that I'm unaware of?

1. Video gaming/consumer market as a whole. Comparing the Wii launch to the Wii U, you can see the difference between a successfully received concept and one that has not received a strong reception.

2. I'm referring to various comments from developers/publishers that they are not developing game X or game Y for the Wii U because they couldn't think of anything to do with the GamePad. I recall hearing something to that effect from Gearbox, among others.


1. So you're saying the WIi U's slow sales has to with the gamepad and not the software drought and lack of marketing?

That's as short sighted as people who blamed 3DS' 3D feature as a reason customers weren't embracing it, when the big problems were really the price and most of all lack of games.

Comparing the Wii  early months to Wii U's doesn't mean the gamepad is the problem. The Wii U had steady first party support from Nintendo early on, the Wii U hasn't.

2. I haven't seen comments like that from alot of devs. The complaints/excuses have mostly been the same not enough power,  our games don't sell on nintendo consoles or it's userbase isn't large enough.

Either way, vocal reluctance of publishers to embrace a concept does not provide  credence to the idea that a console's main appeal is something of a non-starter to customers, considering 3rd parties were largely reluctant to embrace Wii's controller. The opinion of publishers don't necessarily reflect the opinion of the market as a whole.

1. Actually, yes, that's exactly what I'm saying. Afterall, I think it's pretty commonly recognized that the main system seller was Wii Sports. If the system had suffered a similar drought to that of the Wii U, I don't think it would have affected sales much at all.

As far as the 3DS is concerned, the reason the system was so expensive to begin with was precisely because of the 3D, so I think it's valid to point to the 3D as the reason the system didn't work.

Regarding the GamePad, you're right. It's not the Publisher's reluctance to embraace the concept that is causing the Customer to avoid it, it's the other way around. Which is why they're making all of these excuses; because they don't think the concept is strong enough for them to invest in the system.



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PigPen on 06 September 2013

I'll say this, Nintendo will sell more hardware this holiday season with the 2DS, 3DS, Wii and Wii U. So yes, Nintendo all the way.



Mr Khan on 06 September 2013
landguy1 said:
Mr Khan said:

If you had merely excised that part, i would have no issue with the thread. "DoA" means "failure to launch," in my mind, which is categorically untrue for any major-manufacturer console, which i feel is over-the-top

That's the benefit of opinions, we all have them.  I don't share yours.  We are here to discuss things about game ore whatever based on the thread. 

I think the concept of the WiiU is DOA.  They can't change their mind and drop parts of the console and keep selling them.  So, I think that it failed in design and that's my viewpoint. I never said it won't sell 20+ million of them, but after the Wii, anything less than 50 Million is a complete failure in the consumers eyes.  In 12 months or so, we will find out if the XB1 is DOA based on thier insistence to include the Kinect.  The only difference for them is that they can change by dropping that requirement.  I have yet to purchase a WiiU, but if my kids beome intrested at some point, I would consider it for them.  I personally wouldn't play it much, but if I had one I could be convinced otherwise.  I think that the average consumer probably won't purchase a WiiU based on the reason in my earlier post.   As we all know, only time will tell.

Fair enough, it's a semantics thing. I tend to think dead rather means "dead." Not "unpopular" but "dead."



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Ljink96 on 06 September 2013

Wii U has this in the bag and with Smash Bros and Mario Kart 8 coming soon 2014 will be a comfortable year for Nintendo. Profit wise, Nintendo will win anyway if Pokemon pulls that magic automatic 10 Mil. But with that $50 price cut and deletion of that cruddy basic model mixed with the first 3D Multiplayer Mario ever... AND the 3DS killing machine Nintendo need not be afraid of Lions, tigers, or bears!

I also hope Sony does well. Xbox can be reverse engineered into Syria-bound bombs for all I care.



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Seece on 06 September 2013

WiiU isn't DOA, it'll at the least coast through this gen on enough sales to justify Nintendo keeping it going.

It's hard to see it break out of the niche market it's carved itself though.



 

allenmaher on 06 September 2013

Honestly the PS4XB1 are mid level gaming rigs, slightly better than the WiiU. None of them are comparable to the PC and the gap between them is not that big. AMD APUs and people think that is great? Have you seen what an Nvidia GTX 780 can do? I own a WiiU and it looks pretty great for a console, it has a good lineup that is improving rapidly. PS4XB1 will take time to build up a catalogue, have to compete against the PS360 with a massive price difference and have basically no backwards compatibility. How exactly do you see these things ruling being such a threat? The first few months will be full of bugs, glitches and stumbles that every console goes through. The real battle is next Christmas when the bugs are mostly gone, the libraries are more established and the PS360 support begins to die off.



DarthVolod on 06 September 2013
oniyide said:
DarthVolod said:

I keep saying ... should do a bundle with a digital game (Zelda, Mario, ect.) without the tablet controller (wii u pro controller in its place) for $250.00.

Nintendo would still make plenty of money off of it with the cost of the controller factored out, and people could still play about 90% of the games for the system.

Start selling the tablet controller separate as well so people have the option to buy it.

This is no different than the 2ds strategy which looks like it will work out nicely for Nintendo at such a competitive price point.

i would imagine removing the gamepad would be a bit more difficult than removing 3d, seeing as 3d was optional even in the regular 3ds, gamepad? not so much


It is even easier to remove than the 3D from 3DS ... just don't bundle the pad with it, and that's it. No redesign or anything like that needed. Will need an update to be installed to make the Wii U more pro controller friendly though.

How many games actually require the gamepad (not optional)? The list can not be that extensive. I can think of a few like Game and Wario, Lego City Undercover, Zombi U, ect but it can't be more than a dozen or so games.

Sounds like a great way to reduce costs if you ask me. People just don't seem to be into the gamepad unlike the Wii Remote which was possibly greatest controller ever created ... at least for casuals. When you think about it, The Wii U pad is almost the exact opposite of the Wii Remote ... the Remote was small, minimalist in design, and intuitive whereas the Wii U pad is cumbersome, complex (by comparision), and counterintuitive (we have become accustomed to looking at the TV when we have a controller in hand ... not at the controller itself).

Don't get me wrong, I love the Wii U, but I also love my 3DS, and I will admit to never using the 3D feature, ever ... aside from just once or twice to see what it was like. The Wii U is an awesome system with great software on the way, but if Nintendo announced tomorrow that future games will not support the pad, I would not shed a single tear, and I don't think many others would care either ... until a game comes along that makes a true argument for the controller.

Right now, the best thing anyone can say about it is that it lets you play games while the TV is being used. This would have been an amazing feature in 2002 or so, but now HDTVs are plentiful and super cheap. If someone is hogging the TV ... then just go to the other room and turn on the other HDTV and play there. Hell, I am sitting in a room with a 52 inch HDTV along with another 40 inch HDTV ... and another 30 inch I use as a PC monitor.. I am not a millionaire ... TVs are cheap now ... the three hundred you would spend on a Wii U could buy you a 30 inch TV or maybe one even larger.



MTZehvor on 06 September 2013

Even if they did sell more consoles than the X-Box One and PS4, they'd be losing so much money from each console sold that it'd essentially be a loss despite selling the most.

As Iwata said, the price isn't what's hurting the Wii U (although a lower price point certainly doesn't hurt), it's the lack of games. It doesn't matter how inexpensive your console is; if it doesn't have the games, it won't sell.



jeffersoncosta1985 on 06 September 2013

I think Nintendo made a mistake for this 8th gen. It should have released a console as powerful as the PS4 and the Xbox One, for $ 399.

I think that just most loyal Nintendo fans will buy the Wii U, and it will sell something around 30 million units.