I am pretty sure its just dumb people not understanding and then spreading bullshit.    You know like  "chinese whispers" or the "telephone game" or whatever you call that thing.

I swear we need to get you on tv 

I don't know if you are ignorant or just malicious on purpose.

"There is nothing logical about a faith position; it is devoid of logical arguments and all forms of evidence." That's a very ignorant sentence. It's like you know nothing about philosophy at all. Look up the definition of faith, and how it is used in philosophy and religion. And when you say "faith position" you are opening up for something that is even broader, something more in line with worldview. You have a "faith position" too, it's part of human existance, of human perception of reality.

Of course God is a person. Any Christian agrees with that. Go read the basic ABC of Christianity if that description sounds alien to you. I don't know your exact definition of "person", but you should rethink that too in this case.

Can you really not see the logical difference between the Christian agent for justice (God) and the Bhuddhist agent for justice (a nameless karmic force)? That there is a principal difference.

If you're talking about logical differences, how do you know all of this is because of God? Why can't it be Zeus? Or Brahma? Or Ra? Why do you believe it to be Jesus that acts as an agent in this world, and not any of those other gods? There's just as much evidence, just as my stories and history behind them, and many people believed/believe them to be true based on their faith, with 100% conviction, as you have your beliefs.

 What's the blatant logical difference between Jesus and those gods that makes it so apparent that Jesus is the right way to go?

edit: btw, Faith:  1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing. 2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. In the religious context, the definition is: The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.

none of those definition say anything about faith being logical (the second even says that it *doesn't* rest on logical proof), so you can't justifiably go on a rant when he said that faith is devoid of logical arguments. Faith, by definition, isn't based in logic

That's a different topic which I would gladly return to. It's too off-topic here though.

But my post above was about the principal difference between a God as mediator of justice and a karmic force as a mediator of justice.

Now note I'm refering to the Western interpretation of karmic justice. Some Bhuddist traditions categorize that force differently, more similar to a God.

It may be a topical difference, but the post I responded to was from a chain of comments in which you asserted that it doesn't matter how much more good a concept does over any other ideas if the other ideas are "true" (true in quotes because of the metaphyisical "truth value" I see your post pertaining to). You went on to say that the idea of karma in illogical and unlikely, and that Christianity/God/Jesus, what have you, is more logical and more likely.

So I responded at the source, in that why is Jesus so logical and likely, when there are other gods, which you don't believe in, than can easily fill his shoes. You've asserted that Jesus is "truth", but there is no more reason to believe in him than there is to believe is Brahma. It may seem off topic to you, but until you can show me how the way of Jesus is more logical and more likely than Brahma (and all the other gods), then your proposition of Christianity being logical can be as easily dismissed as you dismissed karmic forces

I'd correct you, but I see someone already did. So much for my ignorance, huh?

So your god resides in a dimension that is comprised of matter and space and looks like a human being? 

"Can you really not see the logical difference between the Christian agent for justice (God) and the Bhuddhist agent for justice (a nameless karmic force)? That there is a principal difference."

Aha, here we go again. Someone loses the argument and attempts to argue against something I never asserted. Let me remind you of my original post.

No where in here did I argue that a "Christian agent" is the same as a "Buddhist agent". I simply said both share the concept of a supernatural authoritative force, be it karma or god. 

People who are flustered often lose the ability to think. I think you have demonstrated this multiple times now. Answer my questions and address the points I make or piss off. I'm not going to continually remind you of what I just said. You should be able to read and respond accordingly, not go off on mindless rants about something never argued.

Still waiting to hear how the rejection of a position has similarities between the position itself. Then again, I'm waiting for you to back up anything you've said so far as well as respond to inquiries. Either you are incapable of doing so, or you have realized how delusive you seem and do not want to further emphasize the inanity of your assertions. 

The word 'Karma' is actually a Sanskrit word which literally means "action" or "deed". In English the common usage of the term 'karma' is actually a shortened form of the Sanskrit word 'karmafala' which means "The consequences of action" (Karma - action, Fala - consequences).
And thats how simple it is. It only means the 'consequences of your actions' and its both simple and brilliant at the same time.
A typical example of 'karmafala' at work is suppose a man who gets drunk and beats up on his wife(karma).

Well he soon might find himself ending up in jail or find his wife leaving him, leaving him lonely, bitter and miserable (fala).
So the concept of karma does not really try to explain the great mysteries of this universe neither does it try to dictate behavior.

It simply calls out to all of us to weigh the consequences of our action.
You cannot really compare 'karma' to organized religion. However I am an atheist and I believe in logic, science, reason and rationality wedded with human compassion and kindness and I find the concept of karma to be useful.
I do not believe in organized religion since it is based on blind faith (and hence not on reason/science) and it always ends up with a group of people dictating to another group about how to lead their lives.

I'm busy at the moment but I will reply later tonight.

dsgrue3, don't be so quick to judge. I didn't avoid anything about your position part. Give me just a little time to explain the distinction I am making, since my reply wasn't clear enough.

First of all, I never claimed that I believe in supernatural karmic justice. I simply found it amusing that you'd call it unlikely and illogical, when it was you who previously claimed that Christianity is true.

You're asking me for an argument to back up karmic justice. What argument do you have to back up Christianity? Explain how Christianity is grounded in reality. Because I really don't see it. And please don't just thump your bible.

So you're telling me that Christianity is more likely than Buddhism because in the former there is a human-like diety that enforces justice? How do you back this up? In fact, it seems more primitive and wishful to me to invent a god that is so much like us. I don't get where you're coming from here.