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JWeinCom said:
JoeTheBro said:
zorg1000 said:
JoeTheBro said:
zorg1000 said:
JoeTheBro said:
tbone51 said:
teigaga said:
The worst SKU edition any system has seen ever? I think so



stop being mad cuz you dont want it, not everybody has a good budget. Its optional, your not force to play 3DS games on it.


Dude, at least admit its a horribly cheap SKU. The 2DS is a lot worse than both 3DS versions, but at least its really cheap. Your logic is like saying the white Wii U was a great SKU because it was cheaper.  The market showed that isn't how things work.


I really like design and dont enjoy 3D so just because u dont like it doesnt make it a horrible sku


It has a single speaker that's not even in the center, it is way larger than the other skus yet doesn't have a larger screen, not pocket-able, harder to reach touch screen, and a worse battery life. It's a horrible sku, but at least it doesn't cost a lot.

3DS XL, Vita and Tablets arent very pocketable either and nobody seems to complain about them. Surveys have shown adults who play handheld gaming play at home the vast majority of the time and kids dont need to put it in there pockets, they play it while on car rides or walking thru stores with parents or at home or friends house. The battery life is essentualy the same. And its not larger, it just doesnt fold. I have pretty big hands and cant comfortably reach the touch screen on 3DS or XL without holding it in one hand and using the other exclusively for the touch screen, so nothing really changed. That just leaves the speaker as ur argument why its horrible.


Think of it this way. Nintendo themselves thinks it's a bad sku. If they thought it was on par to the other ones, they would not be selling it for $40/$70 less.


So... the 4 GB XBox 360, the 12GB/250GB PS3, and the Wifi Only Vita are bad skews?  16 GB iPads are bad skus according to apple?  16GB iPhone too?  The PSP 3000 was a bad SKU once the PSP Go came out?  The DS Lite was a bad SKU?  DSi?  If Dell makes one computer for $1000 and another for $400 are they saying the $400 is a bad computer?  When car companies sell different packages for cars, are they saying the less expensive ones are bad? When Burger King sells the Whopper, are they saying that the Whopper JR is a bad burger?

There are different people in the market, and they have different needs.  For a 5 year old who won't use the 3D feature, it doesn't make sense to pay for it.  Some people aren't going to need 500 GB on their PS3, but that doesn't mean the cheaper 250 GB model is a bad SKU.

Please retract your terrible terrible statement if you expect to have any credibility in this argument.  Otherwise, haters gonna hate.

@Bold

Nope.  People keep quoiting me and sounding silly doing so. The statement stays up.

As for the content of your post, yes to all of your questions, IF YOU IGNORE PRICE. Why does a person buy the 4GB 360? Because it's cheaper. Why does a person buy the 12GB PS3? Because it's cheaper. Why did those ten people buy the WiFi only Vita? Because it's cheaper. Etc, etc, etc, etc. There are of course a few exceptions like the whopper jr having less calories but you get the point.

 

I've never said (or at least don't believe I've said) that people shouldn't buy the 2DS. For $130 it's an ok value. The closest I got to saying it wasn't good was my comment about the Wii U basic not being the most popular sku. I've never disagreed with the person saying "yeah it's worse but who cares, $130!"

I have however been arguing against the belief that the 2DS isn't a worse device than the 3DS and 3DS XL. When I made my comment about Nintendo pricing, I was responding to a guy defending its shortcomings. I said all the reasons why it is a bad sku compared to the others and instead of him saying the price counter acts those negatives, he tried to act like the negatives aren't real. Hence I made my comment about Nintendo themselves knowing the negatives are real. If Nintendo thought the 2DS was just as good a product as the 3DS, it wouldn't be $40 cheaper.



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Red_Hawk-47 said:
won't be getting it


You like seeking attention I see.

I think we all gathered that from your first post.

 

 

ONTOPIC: uuh you hold it with one hand liek you do with the current ds models. Your index finger is more accurate than a thumb hence why you do it. Don't forget pokemon is a turn based game, so not like they need ninja reflexes to play the game.



 

 

JoeTheBro said:
JWeinCom said:
JoeTheBro said:


Thnk of it this way. Nintendo themselves thinks it's a bad sku. If they thought it was on par to the other ones, they would not be selling it for $40/$70 less.


So... the 4 GB XBox 360, the 12GB/250GB PS3, and the Wifi Only Vita are bad skews?  16 GB iPads are bad skus according to apple?  16GB iPhone too?  The PSP 3000 was a bad SKU once the PSP Go came out?  The DS Lite was a bad SKU?  DSi?  If Dell makes one computer for $1000 and another for $400 are they saying the $400 is a bad computer?  When car companies sell different packages for cars, are they saying the less expensive ones are bad? When Burger King sells the Whopper, are they saying that the Whopper JR is a bad burger?

There are different people in the market, and they have different needs.  For a 5 year old who won't use the 3D feature, it doesn't make sense to pay for it.  Some people aren't going to need 500 GB on their PS3, but that doesn't mean the cheaper 250 GB model is a bad SKU.

Please retract your terrible terrible statement if you expect to have any credibility in this argument.  Otherwise, haters gonna hate.

@Bold

Nope.  People keep quoiting me and sounding silly doing so. The statement stays up.

As for the content of your post, yes to all of your questions, IF YOU IGNORE PRICE. Why does a person buy the 4GB 360? Because it's cheaper. Why does a person buy the 12GB PS3? Because it's cheaper. Why did those ten people buy the WiFi only Vita? Because it's cheaper. Etc, etc, etc, etc. There are of course a few exceptions like the whopper jr having less calories but you get the point.

 

I've never said (or at least don't believe I've said) that people shouldn't buy the 2DS. For $130 it's an ok value. The closest I got to saying it wasn't good was my comment about the Wii U basic not being the most popular sku. I've never disagreed with the person saying "yeah it's worse but who cares, $130!"

I have however been arguing against the belief that the 2DS isn't a worse device than the 3DS and 3DS XL. When I made my comment about Nintendo pricing, I was responding to a guy defending its shortcomings. I said all the reasons why it is a bad sku compared to the others and instead of him saying the price counter acts those negatives, he tried to act like the negatives aren't real. Hence I made my comment about Nintendo themselves knowing the negatives are real. If Nintendo thought the 2DS was just as good a product as the 3DS, it wouldn't be $40 cheaper.

The reason I denied those shortcoming is because for myself and many others those are not shortcomings

I cannot comfortably fit a 3DS/XL/Vita/Tablet in my pocket. Im just under 6' and about 180lbs, by no means am I a huge person but im bigger than kids, most women and the average male, also I dont wear tight pants so thats not an issue. If I cant fit any of those comfortably in my pocket then that probably means a very large percentage of people cant either. So its not a shortcoming for 2DS since most similar devices cant do it either.

Another point is its a proven fact that the majoriry of adults who play handheld gaming consoles play them at home, eliminating the need to put it in ur pocket. Idk about u but when im not home, im usually doing something that wouldnt allow for me to play video games, those things could be driving, running errends, work, outdoor activities, going out to dinner or seeing a movie. In none of those instances would I be able to play video games.

Again this was built specifically for kids 4-6 years old, when someone that age isnt home what are they doing? Most likely at school where they cant play it anyway and if they did bring it, guess what, kids at school have backpacks. Or maybe there outside playing with friends where they wouldnt be playing with it anyway. Or maybe they are in the car while parents are driving or with them running errends, in those instances why would a 4-6 year old need to put it in there pocket? Wouldnt they be playing it?

Ur other point was that its harder to reach the touch screen. Please name me 5 games that require u to use face buttons and the touch screen simultaniously, I cant think of any. And like I said before I have relatively large hands and on the 3DS/XL I couldnt reach the touch screen without moving my hand, id assume kids, most woman and men with small hands have this problem as well.

Ur only legitimate point was the speaker and that is such a small factor that it really doesnt matter, the other arguments are invalid because both the other models face the same problem.



When the herd loses its way, the shepard must kill the bull that leads them astray.

So I saw the actual 2DS in a display case at PAX Prime, that thing won't be a big deal to hold and play, it's not super big to start with O_O; I'll get some comparison to a dollar bill or something later today if I pass by it.



The design has really grown on me...I want one !
...but I can´t buy a third 3DS before getting a Vita so...meh, maybe next year



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To use the touchscreen on just about any touch-enabled system, you have to take your hand off the console. The DS's major innovation was to provide a second screen so your fat fingers wouldn't block the primary screen's view.



they are both touch screens, they can reach the top one



“It appeared that there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grams a week. And only yesterday, he reflected, it had been announced that the ration was to be reduced to twenty grams a week. Was it possible that they could swallow that, after only twenty-four hours? Yes, they swallowed it.”

- George Orwell, ‘1984’

JoeTheBro said:
JWeinCom said:
JoeTheBro said:
zorg1000 said:
JoeTheBro said


It has a single speaker that's not even in the center, it is way larger than the other skus yet doesn't have a larger screen, not pocket-able, harder to reach touch screen, and a worse battery life. It's a horrible sku, but at least it doesn't cost a lot.

3DS XL, Vita and Tablets arent very pocketable either and nobody seems to complain about them. Surveys have shown adults who play handheld gaming play at home the vast majority of the time and kids dont need to put it in there pockets, they play it while on car rides or walking thru stores with parents or at home or friends house. The battery life is essentualy the same. And its not larger, it just doesnt fold. I have pretty big hands and cant comfortably reach the touch screen on 3DS or XL without holding it in one hand and using the other exclusively for the touch screen, so nothing really changed. That just leaves the speaker as ur argument why its horrible.


Think of it this way. Nintendo themselves thinks it's a bad sku. If they thought it was on par to the other ones, they would not be selling it for $40/$70 less.


So... the 4 GB XBox 360, the 12GB/250GB PS3, and the Wifi Only Vita are bad skews?  16 GB iPads are bad skus according to apple?  16GB iPhone too?  The PSP 3000 was a bad SKU once the PSP Go came out?  The DS Lite was a bad SKU?  DSi?  If Dell makes one computer for $1000 and another for $400 are they saying the $400 is a bad computer?  When car companies sell different packages for cars, are they saying the less expensive ones are bad? When Burger King sells the Whopper, are they saying that the Whopper JR is a bad burger?

There are different people in the market, and they have different needs.  For a 5 year old who won't use the 3D feature, it doesn't make sense to pay for it.  Some people aren't going to need 500 GB on their PS3, but that doesn't mean the cheaper 250 GB model is a bad SKU.

Please retract your terrible terrible statement if you expect to have any credibility in this argument.  Otherwise, haters gonna hate.

@Bold

Nope.  People keep quoiting me and sounding silly doing so. The statement stays up.

As for the content of your post, yes to all of your questions, IF YOU IGNORE PRICE. Why does a person buy the 4GB 360? Because it's cheaper. Why does a person buy the 12GB PS3? Because it's cheaper. Why did those ten people buy the WiFi only Vita? Because it's cheaper. Etc, etc, etc, etc. There are of course a few exceptions like the whopper jr having less calories but you get the point.

 

I've never said (or at least don't believe I've said) that people shouldn't buy the 2DS. For $130 it's an ok value. The closest I got to saying it wasn't good was my comment about the Wii U basic not being the most popular sku. I've never disagreed with the person saying "yeah it's worse but who cares, $130!"

I have however been arguing against the belief that the 2DS isn't a worse device than the 3DS and 3DS XL. When I made my comment about Nintendo pricing, I was responding to a guy defending its shortcomings. I said all the reasons why it is a bad sku compared to the others and instead of him saying the price counter acts those negatives, he tried to act like the negatives aren't real. Hence I made my comment about Nintendo themselves knowing the negatives are real. If Nintendo thought the 2DS was just as good a product as the 3DS, it wouldn't be $40 cheaper.

It isn't a matter of good vs bad.  Nintendo realizes that a lot of people aren't going to use the 3D feature.  If a Whopper is $1 and a Whopper with cheese is $1.50, what is the better SKU for someone who is lactose intolerant?  Clearly the Whopper without cheese.  To someone who is trying to watch their weight, a Whopper JR will be better than a Whopper.  To someone who is replacing an XBox and already has a 250 GB harddrive at home, the 4GB XBox 360 is a better buy than the 250GB.  For someone who lives in an area with no 3G service, the Wifi Vita is better than a 3G one.  If you're a 6 year old kid prone to dropping stuff whose parents won't let play in 3D, the 2DS is clearly a better SKU.

You can't say something is a bad SKU "if you ignore the price".  The price IS one of the features of the 2DS.  Bad SKU means to me, and to most other people, a SKU that is not worth the money.  The 2DS definitely is and it will appeal to a substantial amount of people.



Galaki said:
Use the third hand, duh.

What about girl gamers tho?



IIIIITHE1IIIII said:

Piece of cake. You need to keep in mind that the 2DS touch screen is slightly smaller than the 3DS's and a lot closer to the hand than you may think.

The touchscreen of the 2DS is the same size as the touchscreen of the 3DS, only the 3DS XL has larger screens. And since they had to align the controls to the (wider) upper screen instead of the (narrower) bottom screen, the border around the touchscreen of the 2DS is larger than the border of the 3DS and the 3DS XL.

So the touchscreen is not closer to the hand. The 3DS XL has the best ratio of display size and border size, the 2DS has the worst.

But in most 3DS games it won't be a problem, since they aren't as touchscreen-heavy as some old DS games.