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1) DNA code evolved to the state it's in now. It obviously didn't start out as complex as it is now. But assuming that DNA was "created" then how did the creator come about? 2) Morals came about because we live in a society. We *MUST* live in a society. If anything morals are the product of working together for common goals (ie, food, shelter, survival). 3) This doesn't really seem to make any sense... what exactly are you trying to say? 4) Imagination does not prove there is a god. If anything it proves that we imagined a god. 5) Existance does not prove there is a god. This just seems to be the arguement of, i don't know why we exist, so god must have done it. 6) No. We evolved in this universe, this universe wasn't made for us, we where made from the universe. To marvel and how perfect the universe is for us is silly. It isn't fine tuned just for us. It is in fact the other way around. You can beleive whatever you want, but please don't try to "prove" there is a god. Religion claims to be outside of science and thus outside of proof. Trying to apply the scientific method to proving there is a god will always fail.



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drudaddy said:

^God is not a he, or she, or anyway of a human. The fact is god is somthing that we won't fully understand, that's why there is so many religons everyone doesn't believe the same thing because we don't understand. We can only go by what we call Belief and Faith. you do or you don't, nobody can trully explain what you just said and I mean nobody.


Faith is the most terrible thing religion has done to us. "Beleive in something, regardless of proof". Not such a great thing to teach.

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Your arguments are built on quicksand, and the amount of pseudoscience in them is staggering.

The anthropic principle doesn't imply what you implied. If physics didn't allow us to exist, we wouldn't be here to question them in the first place.

Also, lol at "everything that has a beginning has a cause"

PS: Asking for someone to prove that god doesn't exist is like asking for proof that Santa Claus doesn't exist. It's just not possible to prove it, no matter how much evidence we have. So please don't ask.



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DaSimkin said:
drudaddy said:

^God is not a he, or she, or anyway of a human. The fact is god is somthing that we won't fully understand, that's why there is so many religons everyone doesn't believe the same thing because we don't understand. We can only go by what we call Belief and Faith. you do or you don't, nobody can trully explain what you just said and I mean nobody.


 

Faith is the most terrible thing religion has done to us. "Beleive in something, regardless of proof". Not such a great thing to teach.

You will never have proof because it isn't there and never will be, well not in the form of our understanding, you can believe in somthing without having proof, when you have proof it becomes fact, belief erases,



How about I compare atheists to Nazis and Christians to Hitler and get Godwins law out of the way?

Great now that thats done, I got to C. and decided you had no idea what you were talking about, because some forms of 'code' are made by intelligent beings does not imply that all kinds of code are made by intelligent being.

Thus I gave up, seems like MisterD did a reasonable job of rebuttal anyway.



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Lingyis said:

Okay, your post is just quote after quote after quote.  I'm bored.

Anyway, I got suckered into one of these discussions again.  I am not for or against whether God exists, and I think it'll be kind of nice if there really is a God.  But like many other expressed in this thread, it's outside the realm of our understanding.  You either take a leap of faith or your don't.   

I am against rigorous-sounding arguments for and against God, though.  It just... irks me.  It's like, "Why are you crossing my territory when I've already declared I've got nothing against you?"


With all due respect, no one forced you into this thread or made you read it.  If you did not want to go this path again than it might of been best to simply not read it. 

 



edit: sorry my hand slipped and posted this to earity I apologise.



fagarcia75 said:
Lingyis said:

Okay, your post is just quote after quote after quote. I'm bored.

Anyway, I got suckered into one of these discussions again. I am not for or against whether God exists, and I think it'll be kind of nice if there really is a God. But like many other expressed in this thread, it's outside the realm of our understanding. You either take a leap of faith or your don't.

I am against rigorous-sounding arguments for and against God, though. It just... irks me. It's like, "Why are you crossing my territory when I've already declared I've got nothing against you?"


With all due respect, no one forced you into this thread or made you read it. If you did not want to go this path again than it might of been best to simply not read it.

 


 I know.  It is boring, but I didn't know it was pretty much all quotes until I started responding to it, section by section.  To me, points made entirely out of somebody's quotes either shows their lack of understanding of subject matter or trying to strong-arm their arguments onto somebody else.  They should be used for emphasis and shouldn't be shown up as often as the original poster.  That's why I find it worth mentioning.



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DaSimkin said:
drudaddy said:

^God is not a he, or she, or anyway of a human. The fact is god is somthing that we won't fully understand, that's why there is so many religons everyone doesn't believe the same thing because we don't understand. We can only go by what we call Belief and Faith. you do or you don't, nobody can trully explain what you just said and I mean nobody.


 

Faith is the most terrible thing religion has done to us. "Beleive in something, regardless of proof". Not such a great thing to teach.

I do not know if that is true.  I am responding to a post by someone that I have and will likely never have know, seen, or heard.  What assurace or reason do I have to know that DaSimkin truly exists???  I'll even give the benefit of the doubt that you even have a brain, though I could not see that even if you were standing her right before me.

Besides the Bible plainly declares that "Faith is the evidence of things not seen, and the substance of things not heard.

Furthermore it is impossible to come to God or please Him apart from faith, and just because you can not understand this does not mean it is not true. 

Thousands upon thousands of Christains could tell you that their faith has led them to a God that they know is very real.  His name is the Lord Jesus Christ!



Grey Acumen said:
In order for God to be able to be disproved, one would first have to know what god is. By definition god exists above our level of comprehension, hence is impossible to disprove.
Anyone who actually makes an argument against God's existence can only do so based off of their own comprehension of what God is "supposed" to be, but all that does is prove that their comprehension of god is mistaken.

Why do I know God exists? The very fact that we ask ourselves what the purpose of life is, the very fact that we question existence and how the world works, the very fact that despite everything we have learned, we still do not understand everything, everything is evidence.

On top of this, the spontaneous moral standards are what I see as the most undeniable proof. Lying, Murder, Adultery, Stealing are all obstacles to forming a strong society, and yet these are also things that any individual would be able to benefit from if they had no moral standards to begin with.
If a lion sees another lion eating something, and he's hungry, then if he's big enough to take the other lion's food, he will. This would likely be the lion that all others would have to defer to, so why would he impose rules that would no longer allow him to do this?

The moral rules that are the fiber of society are made to protect the weak from the strong, yet nature dictates that the strong survive and the weak are culled. On top of this, morals are not part of instinct. They are purely learned behaviors. Any kid in the playground will attempt to take a toy from another kid if he has an interest in it, until he has been taught that is wrong to do.

So with this in mind, there HAS to have been some point at which man was taught these lessons, and it could not come from a natural force, as those rules are directly opposed to natural selection.

You say that God is beyond comprehension. Yet every 3rd religious person i meet is an utter idiot and yet he goes around telling me about God. If God is unable to be comprehended, why are you spreading his Word? Who comprehended his words in the first place? You can say Jesus did, but in that case we comprehended what God was saying further comprehending what God is all about. If we can't comprehend God then for all you know he is sitting in some other dimension/time/plane/whatever and eating babies. Who can anyone preach about God when he can't be understood. Or maybe the Muslims are right and their jihad is what God really means. After all the God of Christians, Muslims, and Jews is the same God. The difference is that each religion has a diferent prophet to "comprehend" God. Religion is opium for the masses. - Marx That quote plus Zucas' first reply(couldn't have stated the idea any better myself) are the single best reasons as to why religion, gods, etc. actually exist.