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Zucas said:
I'll some up a counter arguement easily:

The idea of a god is purely manmade. Why? There is absolutely nothing in nature available to ever insinuate a god or powerful intelligent creature. This proves that the idea of a god or something like it is purely manmade as nothing in nature even suggests it. FACT. Source?

How did the idea of a god or intelligent being come to life? Ignorance and arrogance. Man was arrogant in thinking that they were the superior creature. And if they couldn't understand the world then they used that ignorance to derive something unreal to explain it. All gods are mythology, and all gods are created. All are derived out of fear, ignorance, arrogance, and hope. None are derived from facts, and most importantly nature. God is man's ultimate creation.

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Anyway, a most interesting read. I'm very impressed with the amount of thought you put into it.



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Ashadelo said:

Romans 1:

[20] For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
[21] Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
[22] Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
[23] And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
[24] Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
[25] Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
[26] For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
[27] And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
[28] And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
[29] Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
[30] Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
[31] Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
[32] Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.


you forgot one:

33. When all thing fail God blames Wiifit.



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Zucas said:

The idea of a god is purely manmade. Why? There is absolutely nothing in nature available to ever insinuate a god or powerful intelligent creature. This proves that the idea of a god or something like it is purely manmade as nothing in nature even suggests it. FACT.

I guess everyone has thier opinions. But how about all the unexplained miracles? Like the incorruptible body of María de Agreda .

Heres a link to the story of María de Agreda. http://www.geocities.com/nephilimnot/agreda.html

Its interesting how when the spaniards arrived to the unexplored territory of New Mexico. Native americans where already converted into the catholic and already knew of  jesus christ.



sc94597 said:
After reading the first paragraph I stopped. Obviously you don't know anything or very little of physics. If so you would know that all matter is data/code as you put it. Then I just stopped because I immediately knew you didn't have correct information. Thank you for trying to prove the existence of god though. Especially on a video game forum. GJ

You just defeated your own argument. As his post claims:

a. All languages, codes, protocols and encoding / decoding mechanisms that we know the origin of come from a mind - there are no known exceptions

You said all matter is code. Therefore all matter came from a mind.



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RSEagle said:
sc94597 said:
After reading the first paragraph I stopped. Obviously you don't know anything or very little of physics. If so you would know that all matter is data/code as you put it. Then I just stopped because I immediately knew you didn't have correct information. Thank you for trying to prove the existence of god though. Especially on a video game forum. GJ

You just defeated your own argument. As his post claims:

a. All languages, codes, protocols and encoding / decoding mechanisms that we know the origin of come from a mind - there are no known exceptions

You said all matter is code. Therefore all matter came from a mind.


That wasn't the point. IT was suppose to show inconsistency in the argument rather than counteract against it. So by making one large mistake that means chances are there are more. Why would there need to be a sentient being to make code anyway. If the universe started in energy at infinate density that means that all of the code was there in the first place. Making it impossible to know how this energy was created.



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maybe there is a god that created dna, but I highly doubt anyone alive knows who/what it is.

i reckon it (life) is a beautiful result of the laws of physics, whatever they may be.

besides if there was a god, he wouldn't let the Wii win the console war coz it's just standard definition and god has high definition eyeballs.



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Poeta said:
Zucas said:

The idea of a god is purely manmade. Why? There is absolutely nothing in nature available to ever insinuate a god or powerful intelligent creature. This proves that the idea of a god or something like it is purely manmade as nothing in nature even suggests it. FACT.

I guess everyone has thier opinions. But how about all the unexplained miracles? Like the incorruptible body of María de Agreda .

Heres a link to the story of María de Agreda. http://www.geocities.com/nephilimnot/agreda.html

Its interesting how when the spaniards arrived to the unexplored territory of New Mexico. Native americans where already converted into the catholic and already knew of jesus christ.


Miracles is the works of ignorance.  Just cause we don't understand what happened doesn't mean it can't be explained.  LIke what people attribute to ghosts.  People think because we can't explain things that it has to be something supernatural or superhuman.  It's most likely not, it's just we aren't smart enough to understand it, yet or possibly never.  I don't understand how a brain transmits things into different smells, but that doesn't mean their isn't an explanation. 



OooSnap said:

To me these are strong supporting evidence for the existence of God.


 To me your opinoin still doesn't matter.

 

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