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Forums - Nintendo Discussion - The Nintendo Third Party Dilemma: How we got here and why (from Gaf)

I dont think the past has to have a huge bearing on the present in regard to the 3rd party support. I just think with the Wii U, nintendos vision is at odd with the ways most people like to experience 3rd party games and with how 3rd parties wanna make their games. Who would choose to play a game like FFXV on the wii u instead of the PS4-X1. Very few people, so wii u 3rd party titles of these big budget games will always suffer.Its not a case of people wanting the most powerful system either, hence ps2 success. But people want to see a generational leap.

Also people should realise that all the big devs want better, more powerful hardware. The only reason why they still have ps3-360 games in the pipeline is because that is where ALL the money is and it will pretty much remain that way until PS4-X1 have solid userbases.

The Wii U doesnt have the userbase or the power so there is very little incentive.



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If only Nintendo made the WiiU more powerful, they would have at least get some 3rd parties games that are on Xbox360 and PS3. That thing can't even run my SNES cartridges.



bananaking21 said:
MDMAlliance said:
I already know about this information, but using this information to shift the blame 100% to Nintendo is also wrong. I definitely acknowledge that if Nintendo were better with 3rd parties in the past, there wouldn't be nearly as many problems with third parties. But it's a lie to say that Nintendo hasn't been doing anything to fix the relationships, or that it is Nintendo's fault period. Third parties in-fact do have a part in the blame. It may be to a lesser degree, but it's not as simple as it being all one company's fault.


true, and i agree. but he does say a good point which is that every gen, nintendo has done atleast something to make some serious trouble for third parties. when it comes to the WiiU he actually just states power of the console which is something that effects just big AAA games really. indie and sport games shouldnt care much about that. he doesnt get into that. which i find the blame to be mostly on the publishers (sports games). i stated many times that i find it very stupid for EA not to release Fifa on the WiiU. i can see a point of where they are coming from, but as a long term plan i find it very stupid. konami are even more stupid for not releasing PES

Well I think EA lead NIntendo down the wrong path this gen. Remember al that unpresedented support at E3 with Nintendo? Claiming the WIi U was a powerful machine blah blah blah.



 

 

The dictation of terms in the NES era was one of the major factors in saving the industry from the mistakes made by the very same developers who complained about it at the time.

Anything that paints Nintendo's actions then in a negative light is fundamentally misunderstanding the situation and the positive repercussions those actions caused.

If anyone in the industry is still holding a grudge over that, it merely proves that a crash could quite easily happen again as those people obviously didn't learn anything.

As for Nintendo fans and how third parties are viewed... Imagine going out to a restaurant with a few people with one person offering to pay as long as they can order for everybody. The person buying proceeds to order the finest food and wine on the menu for everyone but one person. That one person is left with an undressed side salad and a tepid glass of water. Everyone else leaves satisfied, but can't understand why the person with the salad didn't have a good time like everyone else did, because the evening was really great.

That's Nintendo fans and third parties in a nutshell, and why non-Nintendo fans just won't get it.



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Nintendo were kind of jerks in the 80s/90s, and sure they did bully retailers and developers, and why not ... they were used to getting their way on most everything. Yamauchi did have kind of an Emperor Palpatine meets Mr. Burns vibe going on, lol.

It wasn't until the decision to axe CD-ROM from the Super NES successor though that they really hit a brick wall.

After that nothing was ever the same, and it hasn't really ever been again, that was kind of the moment where the third party community was forced to divorce themselves from Nintendo, the thing was, third parties realized very quickly there was life without Nintendo and they never looked back.

I remember actually reading in an EGM circa 1995 or so that Project: Reality (the N64) wasn't going to use CDs in any way and being really stunned as it seemed obvious the entire industry was moving that way.



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So much fail.



1. cartridges are more expensive then CDs and development was more expensive on cartridges and it took to much time to develop.

2. 3rd parties abondoned nintendo when they saw their games dont sell on Wii as expected the reason is inferior power when compared to other consoles. the same problem we see with Wii U.

talking about what happened 20 years ago is irrelevant. companies try to make money no matter what the case is.



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Keiner kann ihn bremsen, keiner macht ihm was vor. Immer der richtige Schuss, immer zur richtigen Zeit. Superfussball, Fairer Fussball. Er ist unser Torschützenkönig und Held.

This is all 3rd parties propaganda, all hail Nintendo! :P

 

Seriously though the article has a lot of inaccuracies, for starters the "key-chip, commonly known as 10NES, never was present on Famicom and therefore this is one far-fetched problem less for Japan and most of Asia, which were significantly bigger back in the days. All in all article is just trying to substitute the complexity of the game console industry and how it was shaped with simple message "Nintendo are jerks" (whom they could or could not be from time to time), ironically blaming certain practicies created by Nintendo that are happened to become industry standards, or blaming some actually questionable descisions but for absolutely different reasons.



Yeah, the one big thing they did was go with carts instead of CD's. That was dumb, and allowed Sony to get the bulk of the 3rd party market. The rest of the article is mostly garbage. They were a bit of a bitch to deal iwht in the NES days, but that didn't have much lasting effect. Nintendo does have a history of not accomodating 3rd parties, but that's generally a good business decision. Gamers may like XBox's and PS's but those systems don't make money, and building a system to the specs 3rd parties want is a bad decision if you actually need to make money. Nintendo's big problem now is the Wii U isn't selling enough, a couple 3rd parties would rather a Nintendo-free world (EA) and their competitors are willing to make money-losing machines that meet the specs that third parties want. Nintendo should just buy a couple 3rd parties and go all first party.



milkyjoe said:
The dictation of terms in the NES era was one of the major factors in saving the industry from the mistakes made by the very same developers who complained about it at the time.

Anything that paints Nintendo's actions then in a negative light is fundamentally misunderstanding the situation and the positive repercussions those actions caused.


If anyone in the industry is still holding a grudge over that, it merely proves that a crash could quite easily happen again as those people obviously didn't learn anything.

As for Nintendo fans and how third parties are viewed... Imagine going out to a restaurant with a few people with one person offering to pay as long as they can order for everybody. The person buying proceeds to order the finest food and wine on the menu for everyone but one person. That one person is left with an undressed side salad and a tepid glass of water. Everyone else leaves satisfied, but can't understand why the person with the salad didn't have a good time like everyone else did, because the evening was really great.

That's Nintendo fans and third parties in a nutshell, and why non-Nintendo fans just won't get it.


trust me, i get that and it was needed in the NES gen and to an extent in the SNES gen. however its not like nintendo didnt take advantege of that chip. yes it was placed for number of reasons, the main one was to block that crap that everybody made. but they took advantege of the situation as well. also, wasnt a similar chip in the N64 catridges as well?