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A. He can't 24 6.96%
 
B. He doesn't want to 86 24.93%
 
C. He causes them 22 6.38%
 
D. He doesn't exist. 213 61.74%
 
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blublibla said:
VGPolyglot said:
blublibla said:
None of the smart people, including Einstein, Doystoevky, Steve Jobs, Da Vinci, Newton etc...are atheist.

None of the people I actually know in freemasonry, government, high cultural/media/political position is an atheist.

Why? Because you really must be a dumb, ignorant and boring fùck to be an atheist.

WHICH do not mean that I am religious...I'm spiritual, I do believe in God, and in my own sense, he simply doesn't do, act or prevent good or evil...it just is.

There are smart atheists, just like there are smart theists. One reason why you don't know that many atheists in government, is because it's considered political suicide, and people won't vote for them. Also, stating that you don't know any? Joseph Stalin and Mao Zedong were atheists I believe. Also, spirituality is a type of religious belief.

Spoken like forementionned ignorants.

A. I'm not 'murican, I'm French, a laic state (Church and Government have been separated for a century).

B. There are NO smart atheist. There are decent, good, even successful ones but certainly not smart, talented, interesting ones.

C. Stalin and Mao indeed were atheists. They killed hundreds of millions of people trying to impose failed fascistic states: that's what atheists do.

D. Not. False, simply. Religiosity is a type of spirituality, not the other way around, there are even atheists arguing they can be spiritual (which of course is completely semanticaly wrong)


A. Church and state are seperated in the U.S. too.

B. That's a generalization. There are many teachers who are atheists. Also, what's interesting is opinion.

C. Iran is an extremely religious state, and they kill many people a year, including children, as well as having public executions. You could make the same generalized statement about people that believe in God, that they kill many people a year. Also, While I may not support Stalin, he turned the USSR into a huge superpower, and I would say that you have to be smart to do that.

D. Okay, I guess I was wrong about that, because I can't find anything saying that spirituality is a type of religion.



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For the lulz?



attaboy said:
ArnoldRimmer said:
attaboy said:

You are not very smart and trying to have a discussion with you is like trying to have a discussion with a drunk person.  That is why I choose to discontinue this "discussion".  You didn't even seem to have the ability to identify simple concepts like metaphors and rhetoricial questions at times.  This whole thing was a waste of time, teacher.  I request a transfer to another class.

I'm seriously impressed you continued this discussion for so long and still kept being polite, despite dsgrue3's rude behaviour. I think you wrote the best postings in this thread.

@dsgrue3: Maybe you should pause (not really) reading Nietzsche and have a look at Schopenhauer's "The Art of being right" instead. He already pointed out why some people are becoming rude and insulting in discussions: "A last trick is to become personal, insulting, rude, as soon as you perceive that your opponent has the upper hand, and that you are going to come off worst."

In all honesty, I kinda played the personal attacks game, too.  I'm not proud of it. It's really a discussion of beliefs so things are bound to get heated.  That's part of the reason why I tend to avoid religious discussions.  You can't really win.  Thanks for the compliment, though.  I try to keep an open mind and stay positive.


And one should never change that about themselves

 

Earlier in this thread you said something about other planets being jealous of earth and them wanting our women. Where did you get that from??



Squall_Leonhart said:
snyps said:



seriously there's no evidence that suggests the god of abraham isn't made up. so i'll just be on my mary way.

So much win!!!!

If there was proof, or scientific fact the proved the existence of God what choice would we have to believe? Whether we believe something to be true or not doesn't change what is true or false. Believing in God is about CHOICE and FAITH, and if we didn't have choice we wouldn't have free will. Sure we can blame God for whatever happens that we don't like or agree with, but ultimately we would just be using God as a scapegoat rather than taking responsibility and doing something about it.

 

Also the poll question is flawed because it assumes that it is God's responsibility to prevent terrible things from happening. The responsibility for care of this world belongs to us humans and us alone. 

We all make choices on what to believe mostly based on what sounds good to our ears, and too few are actually open minded enough to humour ideas or concepts that go along with what sounds good to believe / agree with in our heads. These discussion are always fruitless as everyone always seeks to make their point of view heard, rather than trying to understand and respect other peoples point of view. I know if I posted a picture like that above in relation to a console or fan base I'd get banned, but its okay if its discriminatory against or mocking Christians...  



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

DJEVOLVE said:
pauluzzz1981 said:
Cleary397 said:
mysticwolf said:
I think he can't.
Many bad things happen because of free will


So God is not omnipotent?

Isnt that contradictory to the term 'God'?


yes it is. but he won't. thats His choice. and he knows everything so his reasons are good.


There is another problem with logic. In the bible it says god is all knowing, past, present and future," perfect". So if he knows everything, whats the point of the Gospel if he already knows what your going to do or what is going to happen?

Also if he is perfect, then why would he send people to hell for his mistake of  your creation, he should just fix you.  in a since if he knows everything then there is no such thing as free will. 

Also we have recongnized what makes people lack empathy. The frontal cortex controls decision making. 99% of serial killers have a underdeveloped frontal cortex or damaged it at some point in their lives. So God makes the frontal lube and can't understand when it has been damaged?

Point being the story has major flaws in logic. It says one thing, then another. It has vengence, then be nice to everyone, kill those of other gods, don't kill anyone. WTF! I read this book. What a waste of time.

 

ok. i dont know. but i believe He solved the problem by sending His son Jesus.

 

 

 

 

 





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Your poll answers are a horrible set choices and I refrain from voting in any of them. Look up the Eucharistic miracles. These are proven and investigated facts that 100%of them actually happened.

Look up how people become Saints, they need a number of miracles to come true in their name. I'm sure all of these people who pray to these saints and get cured from illnesses that in many cases have ZERO cures all can't be by coincidence.

Whether you choose to believe is not a cause of concern for me. I only have to worry about my sins not other people's sins. I don't live a good life b/c I don't believe in God, I live a great life b/c I do believe in God.



chuckyj1 said:
Your poll answers are a horrible set choices and I refrain from voting in any of them. Look up the Eucharistic miracles. These are proven and investigated facts that 100%of them actually happened.

Look up how people become Saints, they need a number of miracles to come true in their name. I'm sure all of these people who pray to these saints and get cured from illnesses that in many cases have ZERO cures all can't be by coincidence.

Whether you choose to believe is not a cause of concern for me. I only have to worry about my sins not other people's sins. I don't live a good life b/c I don't believe in God, I live a great life b/c I do believe in God.


After a quick google search:

"An example of a eucharistic miracle is the invisible transformation of bread into the body and wine into the blood of Jesus Christ during a Catholic Mass or Orthodox Liturgy."

-wikipedia

 

Please do explain how such an "invisible transformation" is a proven and investigated fact.



papamudd said:
 

1) If there was proof, or scientific fact the proved the existence of God what choice would we have to believe? Whether we believe something to be true or not doesn't change what is true or false. Believing in God is about CHOICE and FAITH, and if we didn't have choice we wouldn't have free will. Sure we can blame God for whatever happens that we don't like or agree with, but ultimately we would just be using God as a scapegoat rather than taking responsibility and doing something about it.

2) Also the poll question is flawed because it assumes that it is God's responsibility to prevent terrible things from happening. The responsibility for care of this world belongs to us humans and us alone. 

3) We all make choices on what to believe mostly based on what sounds good to our ears, and too few are actually open minded enough to humour ideas or concepts that go along with what sounds good to believe / agree with in our heads. These discussion are always fruitless as everyone always seeks to make their point of view heard, rather than trying to understand and respect other peoples point of view. I know if I posted a picture like that above in relation to a console or fan base I'd get banned, but its okay if its discriminatory against or mocking Christians...  

1) Are you saying that all people who got contacted by God in the Old Testament entered heaven by default since God appeared before them? Are you saying that those people didn't have a free will and were unable to disregard God's will and message?

2) With great power comes great responsibility. Are you suggesting that the government shouldn't prevent people from committing crimes since the criminals should be free to choose evil? Isn't a person evil simply by wanting to commit crimes, even if he never actually executes it?

We don't need evil actions to be carried out in order for people to be evil/enter hell, and the good people don't need to be casualties. God, if anyone, should know this.

3) No, not all of us. I shape my beliefs from whatever seems more reasonable; regardless if it is sounds 'good' or not. Trusting the content of a thousands of years old book sounds less reasonable to me than trusting a system based on results that can be recreated today and in the future. I also find it hard to understand and respect the views of certain people, that disrespects other people (be it LGBT individuals, religious people, Sony fans or whatever).

And yes, I agree that the Spiderman image was inappropriate.



I wonder what life would be like if nothing bad ever happened. Take theological arguments out of it and treat it as a simple hypothetical: would life be better if bad things never happened?

There is no sense of "good" without "bad." You can't be thankful for that which you take for granted.

Would anyone "live life to the fullest" if life were all pleasant, and nothing unexpected ever happened? Would we be able to cherish each moment if we knew, without a doubt, that there would be many more to come?

This topic question has made me wonder: are we only able to truly enjoy life because terrible things do happen? Would we be able to appreciate what we have if nothing could take it away?

Every time something bad happens, we learn from it. We become one step closer to solving a problem, and we make the world a better place. The ability, the need, to ask questions and seek answers is an important part of being human. The world today is a far better place than it was a thousand years ago. But our progress, our triumphs...what would be without them? Empty shells, shuffling around one day to the next, no sense of purpose or direction, nor need for such notions....much like animals, living off instinct, doing only what we must, nothing more, nothing less. What's the point of life if our safety , our well-being, our necessities are all taken care of, and nothing bad can happen? What would we do then? Where would we find our purpose? I don't think the concept of "love" would even exist in such a world.



Fayceless said:

I wonder what life would be like if nothing bad ever happened. Take theological arguments out of it and treat it as a simple hypothetical: would life be better if bad things never happened?

There is no sense of "good" without "bad." You can't be thankful for that which you take for granted.

Would anyone "live life to the fullest" if life were all pleasant, and nothing unexpected ever happened? Would we be able to cherish each moment if we knew, without a doubt, that there would be many more to come?

This topic question has made me wonder: are we only able to truly enjoy life because terrible things do happen? Would we be able to appreciate what we have if nothing could take it away?

Every time something bad happens, we learn from it. We become one step closer to solving a problem, and we make the world a better place. The ability, the need, to ask questions and seek answers is an important part of being human. The world today is a far better place than it was a thousand years ago. But our progress, our triumphs...what would be without them? Empty shells, shuffling around one day to the next, no sense of purpose or direction, nor need for such notions....much like animals, living off instinct, doing only what we must, nothing more, nothing less. What's the point of life if our safety , our well-being, our necessities are all taken care of, and nothing bad can happen? What would we do then? Where would we find our purpose? I don't think the concept of "love" would even exist in such a world.


Which is why heaven sounds very unpleasant to me.