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Will good holiday 2013 sales from the Wii U help bring 3rd party games to the system next year?

Yes. The Wii U will sell well this holiday. 176 59.86%
 
No. The Wii U won't sell well. 59 20.07%
 
It doesn't matter if the... 31 10.54%
 
See poll results. 28 9.52%
 
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Booyah said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

Can't is a very realistic word, an unrealistic word would be more like shaplimkle, seeing as how I just made it up.


What about Fleeble flobble  flingimabimblebobble?

Do you want to know if its an unrealistic word? Do you want to know if its a proper noun because you capitalized it?


Whichever you like. Im guessing this is supposed to prove a point about something somewhere. :)



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Soundwave said:
Booyah said:
Soundwave said:
Booyah said:



Right, with the N64 it was the cartridges, so with the Gamecube they went with a disc format and was easier to develop for, then companies said it was cause the console sales were low, then Wii had amazing console sales, but 3rd parties say that their games don't sell well on Wii.

 

Like i said, its always something with 3rd parites and Nintendo. And budgets for making a Wii game was way less than making a game for the HD twins.


It's "always something" with third parties and Nintendo because Nintendo always makes a system with some kind of issue.

Carts vs. CDs was an obvious.

GameCube was more death by a hundred little mistakes that Nintendo made, but they all added up to a crippling failure.

Wii was a full hardware generation behind. Wii U is basically the same thing, though perhaps not as far back architecturally, but that gain is offset by the fact that the PS3/360 are still active platforms and have a combined userbase of 140 million vs. 3 million for the Wii U, which makes Wii U quite simply a lower priority.

Every console ever made has some kind of  issue.

 

And carts were so bad to develop for that it single handedly crippled the hand held market as well.


Not really. With the exception of the $600 PS3 price point brought on by Blu-Ray, lol, the Playstation and XBox consoles have been generally designed to suit third parties, though MS is kinda walking the tight rope with the Kinect and opting for perhaps a lower power GPU in favor of less hardware failure rates.

Still it's clear that MS is still targeting the "hardcore" gamer and it's still a pretty massive upgrade over the 360 that most third parties are reasonably happy.


I think we have a different idea of what an issue is. 360 issue was RRoD if you recall correctly, and that was a pretty big issue, but it didn't hurt them as far as 3rd parties go. PS3 was a pain to develop for, still didn't stop 3rd parties either. So N64 hard to develop for= no 3rd party support. Ps3 being hard to develop for= still gets 3rd party support.

 

Also cartridges are still used in hand helds, and I hear they do quite well with them.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
orniletter said:
always count on Stage to shit in a Nintendo thread


Im not shitting on the Nintendo thread. Does the truth tie into your self esteem? I am buying the Wii U because by next year the console will completely appeal to me as a consumer. I am only saying, its not only been sales that has hurt Nintendos relationships with third parties but also console specs. I am at perfect peace with Nintendo having nothing but exclusives after the current gen multiplats run dry. If Nintendo sells well they will get exclusives, not multiplat ports after the current gen support dries up and gamers switch over. Think I am joking? Watch what happens. Sony and Microsoft have been complained to by western third party devs for months or even possibly a year now about their next gen consoles coming in the gaming media. Why might you ask? Because they are sick of making games for next gen on inferior hardware, it disrupts their vision. 


I agree, thats why they don't make games on 3ds, cause the hardware is so old that they can't make the type of games they want.

 

Also saying that you own/will own a system does not absolve you from trash talking a system. Thats like someone being racist all the time, but it's cool cause they have that one black friend.



Booyah said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
orniletter said:
always count on Stage to shit in a Nintendo thread


Im not shitting on the Nintendo thread. Does the truth tie into your self esteem? I am buying the Wii U because by next year the console will completely appeal to me as a consumer. I am only saying, its not only been sales that has hurt Nintendos relationships with third parties but also console specs. I am at perfect peace with Nintendo having nothing but exclusives after the current gen multiplats run dry. If Nintendo sells well they will get exclusives, not multiplat ports after the current gen support dries up and gamers switch over. Think I am joking? Watch what happens. Sony and Microsoft have been complained to by western third party devs for months or even possibly a year now about their next gen consoles coming in the gaming media. Why might you ask? Because they are sick of making games for next gen on inferior hardware, it disrupts their vision. 


I agree, thats why they don't make games on 3ds, cause the hardware is so old that they can't make the type of games they want.

 

Also saying that you own/will own a system does not absolve you from trash talking a system. Thats like someone being racist all the time, but it's cool cause they have that one black friend.


The 3DS is a bad example for the Wii U with the gap in power between all three consoles next gen. You see third parties will support the Wii U, but I think he's (OP) referring to next gen games. Even Epic has stated the Wii U should just use Unreal 3 instead of Unreal 4. They've already based their conclusions about the Wii U based on tech, not just Nintendos ability to garner marketshare. This isn't worth arguing. 

The last sentence doesnt apply to me because I am not prejudiced against Nintendo or think they are inferior. Nintendo made their bed with third parties. 3D is proof that if they have a system that has the proper specs and devs are working on consoles they'll have the exclusives that they need if they have no competition for marketshare(like the Vita) much like the PS2. The problem is when their competition raises the bar with some sort of specs, Nintendo is somewhere behind. They also don't make their consoles with third parties in mind. Nintendo is a dominant headed company and has been since the had all the third parties under them during the NES and SNES era. Then again, we can say this about any company or person that has a massive amount of pride, can we not?



S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

 


I agree, thats why they don't make games on 3ds, cause the hardware is so old that they can't make the type of games they want.

 

Also saying that you own/will own a system does not absolve you from trash talking a system. Thats like someone being racist all the time, but it's cool cause they have that one black friend.


The 3DS is a bad example. You see third parties will support the Wii U, but I think he's (OP) referring to next gen games. Even Epic has stated the Wii U should just use Unreal 3 instead of Unreal 4. They've already based their conclusions about the Wii U based on tech, not just Nintendos ability to garner marketshare. This isn't worth arguing. 

That last statement is irrelevant. 

The 3ds is a bad example because it counters your argument, seeing as how if it was all about hardware specs, then the Vita would be dominating. Or every console with the top specs of every generation would have won.

 

3rd parties like MS and Sony over Nintendo because they know that Sony/MS are more succeptible to bullying. Look at online pay walls, and before the back tracking, used pay walls.

 

Also if you are going to trash on a console/company, just leave it that. When you talk about how you own/will own said console, it makes your argument seem more shallow and weak. Just embrace the bias and you'll be fine.



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Booyah said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

 


I agree, thats why they don't make games on 3ds, cause the hardware is so old that they can't make the type of games they want.

 

Also saying that you own/will own a system does not absolve you from trash talking a system. Thats like someone being racist all the time, but it's cool cause they have that one black friend.


The 3DS is a bad example. You see third parties will support the Wii U, but I think he's (OP) referring to next gen games. Even Epic has stated the Wii U should just use Unreal 3 instead of Unreal 4. They've already based their conclusions about the Wii U based on tech, not just Nintendos ability to garner marketshare. This isn't worth arguing. 

That last statement is irrelevant. 

The 3ds is a bad example because it counters your argument, seeing as how if it was all about hardware specs, then the Vita would be dominating. Or every console with the top specs of every generation would have won.

 

3rd parties like MS and Sony over Nintendo because they know that Sony/MS are more succeptible to bullying. Look at online pay walls, and before the back tracking, used pay walls.

 

Also if you are going to trash on a console/company, just leave it that. When you talk about how you own/will own said console, it makes your argument seem more shallow and weak. Just embrace the bias and you'll be fine.


No, the "3DS argument" is the equivalent to and applies to a "PS2 argument" where a console like the 3DS could technically share a lot of multiplats with the Vita, but because of the Vitas lack of marketshare the 3DS takes the wealth of games as exclusives.

No. Go to any history site or video, third parties never bullied Nintendo. They left Nintendo for Sony because Sony gave them the format with more space to make bigger games. Nintendo was afraid to take risks with formats without weighing the chance of profitability because of fear of piracy and lost out because of it. That and as Sonys console got enough top level games the console expanded the marketshare of the industry. Sony and Microsoft sell their consoles at a loss to push the tech and multimedia. This ushered in an era where PC developers took notice and wanted in on the console profitability, because they were increasing the specs of said console. It has nothing to do with paywalls, if Nintendo had higher specs the Wii U would be on their radar if it sold. I see you ignored where I told you that Epic told Nintendo they should just use Unreal 3 for their games instead of 4 (even though its still possible to use 4) because they see no point in them using it. You guys ignore these things. Sony and Microsoft give third parties freedom and find a way to align their vision with the vision of third parties. This is why they get the games outside of the moneyhatting you see from time to time.

I wasn't trashing Nintendo, I like Nintendo games, but thats the damn truth. You're just very defensive. The only issue I've ever had with Nintendo was the Wii era.

Watch this series, Your History Belongs to Us which focuses on the rise and fall of Nintendo only to rise again with the Wii. Its a sourced history youtube show for videogames and covers games, developers and publishers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gNaUib4UU

Each part is like 10:15 minutes.



i just cant figure why thirds skiped GC.
there was power, little price, CD, tradictional controller, mature nintendo games(so, its a more mature console than wii for example)...
bad sales? xbox got the same amount.



jonathanalis said:
i just cant figure why thirds skiped GC.
there was power, little price, CD, tradictional controller, mature nintendo games(so, its a more mature console than wii for example)...
bad sales? xbox got the same amount.


It wasnt power, the GC was the second most powerful console that gen. It was format, space and marketshare. The GC wasn't using a CD it was a special made Minidisc made by Panasonics because Nintendo was paranoid about piracy. Another thing that hurt the GC with gaining marketshare apparently was that the GC had a industrial design error where the Gamecube's design was considered childish when the games were anything but. People based the product based on the design. I actually liked that Nintendo had mature titles on it for once even if most of the games were third party.

Watch this series..it will give you the whole story up to entrance of the Wii.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gNaUib4UU



I think so. If Nintendo can get a foothold, or if the next gen systems lose momentum, then publishers will look towards the Wii U as a safer investment.

I'm not expecting every game to be on Wii U. However, I expect more multiplats than what the Wii got for sure.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

S.T.A.G.E. said:
Booyah said:

The 3ds is a bad example because it counters your argument, seeing as how if it was all about hardware specs, then the Vita would be dominating. Or every console with the top specs of every generation would have won.

 

3rd parties like MS and Sony over Nintendo because they know that Sony/MS are more succeptible to bullying. Look at online pay walls, and before the back tracking, used pay walls.

 

Also if you are going to trash on a console/company, just leave it that. When you talk about how you own/will own said console, it makes your argument seem more shallow and weak. Just embrace the bias and you'll be fine.


No, the "3DS argument" is the equivalent to and applies to a "PS2 argument" where a console like the 3DS could technically share a lot of multiplats with the Vita, but because of the Vitas lack of marketshare the 3DS takes the wealth of games as exclusives.

No. Go to any history site or video, third parties never bullied Nintendo. They left Nintendo for Sony because Sony gave them the format with more space to make bigger games. That and as Sonys console got enough top level games the console expanded the marketshare of the industry. Sony and Microsoft sell their consoles at a loss to push the tech and multimedia. This ushered in an era where PC developers took notice and wanted in on the console profitability, because they were increasing the specs of said console. It has nothing to do with paywalls, if Nintendo had higher specs the Wii U would be on their radar if it sold. I see you ignored where I told you that Epic told Nintendo they should just use Unreal 3 for their games instead of 4 (even though its still possible to use 4) because they see no point in them using it. You guys ignore these things. 

I wasn't trashing Nintendo, I like Nintendo games, but thats the damn truth. You're just very defensive. The only issue I've ever had with Nintendo was the Wii era.

Watch this series, Your History Belongs to Us which focuses on the rise and fall of Nintendo only to rise again with the Wii. Its a sourced history youtube show for videogames and covers games, developers and publishers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c0gNaUib4UU

Each part is like 10:15 minutes.

Where did I say 3rd parties bullied Nintendo? I said that they bully MS/Sony, thats why they like to develop for them instead. Hence the paywalls.

 

And the 3ds argument is what I was referring to about companies still making games for it even though it is inferior spec wise to the Vita. Although they couldn't delvelop their true "vision" of the game on such inferior hardware, I guess they will just have to settle for a dumbed down, good enough version on 3ds.

 

My point is marketshare will always trump specs, and they always have, every generation.

 

It is rather amusing seeing you call someone else defensive lol.