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I don't think it would help bringing back 3rd party that never were on board, I'm looking at Konami, TakeTwo and EA. But it would convince the 3rd party that are already giving a small contribution to stay and/or even strengthen their support, I'm looking at Activision, Sega, Warners and Ubisoft.

Maybe it will bring back 2k games.

Not really. With the exception of the $600 PS3 price point brought on by Blu-Ray, lol, the Playstation and XBox consoles have been generally designed to suit third parties, though MS is kinda walking the tight rope with the Kinect and opting for perhaps a lower power GPU in favor of less hardware failure rates.

Still it's clear that MS is still targeting the "hardcore" gamer and it's still a pretty massive upgrade over the 360 that most third parties are reasonably happy.

If hardware power is the only thing that developers are looking for, then why are they making handheld games? Seeing as how the handhelds are inferior tech wise, developers woudn't know what to do seeing as how they can only develop for the highest end machines, that doesn't make any sense. So 3rd parties can develop for PS3 and 360 because the specs are higher than the Wii? But they also develop DS/3DS games even though the specs are lower.

I think that 3rd parties like to develop for MS and Sony because they have more pull with them to get what they want such as online passes, dlc and blocking used games. With Nintendo they seem less bullied by 3rd parties so they want to take their ball and go home.

always count on Stage to shit in a Nintendo thread

This. Arguements including the PS2 are frankly unfair. There are a lot of things that contributed to it's dominant success. The biggest thing, wether "gamers" like to beleive it or not, is the inclusion of a DVD player. That becomes obvious when one looks at software sales. Compare them to the equally as successful DS. The DS is beyond all doubt the more successful system. Notice how most of those games are now multiplats, where as most were exclusives before. Why isn't this the case with the Wii? Because the PS2 had a higher install base than both consoles combined. That didn't happen with the PS3 and it won't happen with the PS4.

Most people bought the PS2 as a cheap DVD player. The software sales proves it. Most people bought the original PS as a cheap CD player. The software sales prove it. Most people bought the PS3 as a cheap Blu ray player. The software sales prove it. Most people bought the PSP as a portable media device. The software sales prove it. The PS4 has absolutely none of that. No new media funtionality as a major selling point. THAT is why the PSP Go failed. THAT is why the Vita stopped selling well after it's impressive launch. "More games" can't save it because "more games" isn't the problem.

The problem is that Sony stupidly made a hardcore centric device when hardcore gamers make up a small fraction of what has ever sold Sony consoles. Each console was met with amazing hype. The last three were financial failures. I honestly doubt the PS4 will continue to sell as well as is. Not with the XBO's policy shifts. If the XBO ever sells a Kinectless version for $399, the PS4 literally has no chance. Not when the audience that buys the Xbox is broader that the audience that buys the Playstation.

It's not that the PS2 "didn't have do rely on a handful of old franchises in order to sell." The PS2 didn't have the luxury of relying on a handful of old franchises in order to sell. It relied on it's dominance over the market to gain exclusive 3rd party games. That's a luxury the PS4 no longer has. Sony will never have an IP with sales like GTA PS2 again. It doesn't have Final Fantasy or Kingdom Hearts exclusivity. Games sell systems, and there are no 1st party IPs aside from Gran Turismo that hit over 10 mil. Multiplats are only important if you don't have them.

The only company that can survive without them is Nintendo, but that luck runs thin. PS4 can never and will never be able to live without them. That's not necessarily bad until you look at the Vita. Exclusives are franckly more important than 3rd party. PS3, even with Blu ray help, stuggled the entire generation because of cost and because it's IPs didn't invoke the demand that Microsoft's and especially Nintendo's does. And Microsoft dominated 3rd party for most of the generation.

What I see is the PS4 will start with record highs, but once January ends, sales will slow down drastically as Titanfall and Nintendo IPs hit, while the PS4 is only left with InFAmous, a game that no normal person will know or care anything about. They'll know about Titanfall, though. They'll see it on Doridos and buy it on their 360 because the XBO is too pricey at the moment. They'll know Mario Kart 8. They'll know Super Smash Bros. Thos games will drive momentum. Sony, as of now, has nothing. They could have have Gran Turismo, but now that's on the PS3 instead. And that's all they had.

The XBO will have a successful launch, as most consoles do, and will slump imediately because of the many cheaper options. However, after January, it has IPs with far more momentum power that the PS4. Especially the next Halo and less especially Titanfall. I do think that sales will pick up and I do think that a Kinectless XBO will be announced, but not this holiday. There's a huge posibility that a lot of the games launching this holiday will require the Kinect, even for mundane tasks, and that's why they haven't released one yet, but I'm sure that by next year it will come for $399.

I think that, if the advertizing is strong, the Wii U will pick up serious momentum starting with the Wind Waker bundle, then with a Wii Fit U basic bundle for $349-$369, then finally with a Super Mario 3D World bundle for $349 in December. I think they'd have benefited from a Watch_Dogs bundle/promotion as well, but since there have been no Wii U trailers/gameplay for the game, I doubt it.

If this year is successful, I see major publishers supporting the Wii U next year. I think the Division and The Crew are no brainers. I think that Destiny will come as well. I think the EA will return more towards the end of next year. I think that Kingdom Hearts III will definitely come, but I'm not sure about FFXV. I don't think we'll be getting The Witcher 3 and I don't think we'll be getting any Bethesda games still. I think that the Wii U, PC, PS4, and XBO versions of GTA V will be released in months. I don't think Rockstar cares about the install base. I also doubt we'll see any games from Ken Levine on the Wii U any time soon if at all.

That's what I predict. That's what I believe. Those are my reasons for believing.

-Spemanig

Do you want to know if its an unrealistic word? Do you want to know if its a proper noun because you capitalized it?

Im not shitting on the Nintendo thread. Does the truth tie into your self esteem? I am buying the Wii U because by next year the console will completely appeal to me as a consumer. I am only saying, its not only been sales that has hurt Nintendos relationships with third parties but also console specs. I am at perfect peace with Nintendo having nothing but exclusives after the current gen multiplats run dry. If Nintendo sells well they will get exclusives, not multiplat ports after the current gen support dries up and gamers switch over. Think I am joking? Watch what happens. Sony and Microsoft have been complained to by western third party devs for months or even possibly a year now about their next gen consoles coming in the gaming media. Why might you ask? Because they are sick of making games for next gen on inferior hardware, it disrupts their vision. 

Whichever you like. Im guessing this is supposed to prove a point about something somewhere. :)

I think we have a different idea of what an issue is. 360 issue was RRoD if you recall correctly, and that was a pretty big issue, but it didn't hurt them as far as 3rd parties go. PS3 was a pain to develop for, still didn't stop 3rd parties either. So N64 hard to develop for= no 3rd party support. Ps3 being hard to develop for= still gets 3rd party support.

Also cartridges are still used in hand helds, and I hear they do quite well with them.