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Lefil said:
Mr Khan said:
The only bright spot of Japan's demographic crisis is that it is going to wipe out most of the nationalist thugs.

The nationalist thugs? I haven't seen a bunch of Japanese people rioting against China or any other country. If you are worried about extreme nationalism, then look at China. There is a slogan in China that a patriotic act should not be considered a crime. This is why the destruction of Japanese cars, restaurants, etc by anti-Japan demonstrators is virtually permitted in that nation. Also an opinion survey conducted by a Chinese portal site showed that 80 percent of respondents supported the attack on the Japanese ambassador's car. It is alarming that many people praised the attack, calling the suspects "heroes". I must point out that the strong effects on Chinese people of the patriotic education by Chinese authorities are behind the radicalization of their extreme nationalistic/anti-Japanese sentiments. In the 1990s, the Chinese government under Jiang Zemin introduced new guidelines of “patriotic education” that included anti-Japanese lessons for primary, middle and high school students. They wanted to prevent a recurrence of the Tiananmen Square incident in 1989, which was triggered by young people seeking greater democratization.


It got better now, but read Fear and Trembling (Amélie Nothomb). The story of a gaijin girl going to work in japan in early 90's. They don't want anyone else then japanese in their country. They are ultra protective of their culture. That, is nationalism.

Let's remember they always had pretty names for foreigners :

Nanban till ~1880 : That means barbarian. Used both for Korean, Chinese and "people from outer-sea"= us.

Nanban were welcomed by Nobunaga in 16th century (golden age), then banned from 1660 till they came back in 1854 to burn their lands and force liberalism and western phylosophy on them.

So, we deserved it, and they hate us. Not counting the fact America launched two nuclear missiles on them when they were already on the ground and asking for mercy.

Now they call us "Gaijin", and, believe me, that's not a pretty word.



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RenCutypoison said:
Lefil said:
Mr Khan said:
The only bright spot of Japan's demographic crisis is that it is going to wipe out most of the nationalist thugs.

The nationalist thugs? I haven't seen a bunch of Japanese people rioting against China or any other country. If you are worried about extreme nationalism, then look at China. There is a slogan in China that a patriotic act should not be considered a crime. This is why the destruction of Japanese cars, restaurants, etc by anti-Japan demonstrators is virtually permitted in that nation. Also an opinion survey conducted by a Chinese portal site showed that 80 percent of respondents supported the attack on the Japanese ambassador's car. It is alarming that many people praised the attack, calling the suspects "heroes". I must point out that the strong effects on Chinese people of the patriotic education by Chinese authorities are behind the radicalization of their extreme nationalistic/anti-Japanese sentiments. In the 1990s, the Chinese government under Jiang Zemin introduced new guidelines of “patriotic education” that included anti-Japanese lessons for primary, middle and high school students. They wanted to prevent a recurrence of the Tiananmen Square incident in 1989, which was triggered by young people seeking greater democratization.


It got better now, but read Fear and Trembling (Amélie Nothomb). The story of a gaijin girl going to work in japan in early 90's. They don't want anyone else then japanese in their country. They are ultra protective of their culture. That, is nationalism.

Let's remember they always had pretty names for foreigners :

Nanban till ~1880 : That means barbarian. Used both for Korean, Chinese and "people from outer-sea"= us.

Nanban were welcomed by Nobunaga in 16th century (golden age), then banned from 1660 till they came back in 1854 to burn their lands and force liberalism and western phylosophy on them.

So, we deserved it, and they hate us. Not counting the fact America launched two nuclear missiles on them when they were already on the ground and asking for mercy.

Now they call us "Gaijin", and, believe me, that's not a pretty word.

I live in Japan and I know what I'm talking about. "Gaijin" is just the shortened word of "Gaikokujin." Japanese people don't use it to imply discrimination or racism.  "Gaijin/Gaikokujin" equals "foreigner".  As I said nationalism is everywhere. Just go to the following page and see the stupid American nationalism. http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/07/16/world-cup-facebook-status-updates-remember-pearl-harbor-bomb-japan-here-comes-another-tsunami/



Lefil said:
RenCutypoison said:


It got better now, but read Fear and Trembling (Amélie Nothomb). The story of a gaijin girl going to work in japan in early 90's. They don't want anyone else then japanese in their country. They are ultra protective of their culture. That, is nationalism.

Let's remember they always had pretty names for foreigners :

Nanban till ~1880 : That means barbarian. Used both for Korean, Chinese and "people from outer-sea"= us.

Nanban were welcomed by Nobunaga in 16th century (golden age), then banned from 1660 till they came back in 1854 to burn their lands and force liberalism and western phylosophy on them.

So, we deserved it, and they hate us. Not counting the fact America launched two nuclear missiles on them when they were already on the ground and asking for mercy.

Now they call us "Gaijin", and, believe me, that's not a pretty word.

I live in Japan and I know what I'm talking about. "Gaijin" is just the shortened word of "Gaikokujin." Japanese people don't use it to imply discrimination or racism.  "Gaijin/Gaikokujin" equals "foreigner".  As I said nationalism is everywhere. Just go to the following page and see the stupid American nationalism. http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/07/16/world-cup-facebook-status-updates-remember-pearl-harbor-bomb-japan-here-comes-another-tsunami/

I never said that America was better. Once saw a list of 100 best things america did with nagasaki and hiroshima listed.

I live in belgium where "Pute" is the technical word for sex worker. Still it's not a pretty word when you're called that way in the street. Tough it just means "sex worker"



Lefil said:

I live in Japan and I know what I'm talking about. "Gaijin" is just the shortened word of "Gaikokujin." Japanese people don't use it to imply discrimination or racism.  "Gaijin/Gaikokujin" equals "foreigner".  As I said nationalism is everywhere. Just go to the following page and see the stupid American nationalism. http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/07/16/world-cup-facebook-status-updates-remember-pearl-harbor-bomb-japan-here-comes-another-tsunami/

This is how I see this thread:

OP: Miyazaki makes anti war film.

Other users: Respect for Miyazaki.

You: China is evil and nationalism is in every country.

I seriously do not understand where you're going with this, nobody has ever said that China or the USA is better than Japan, and nobody has ever said that only Japan has issues with nationalism, this thread is about Miyazaki, people were just expressing their opinions about the man until you started to turn it into a debate of politics and history, I don't need to be an expert of either field to know that anti war sentiment is always worth encouraging, and an artist who tries to promote peace through his work deserves respect regardless of his political belief.

Finally stop spinning everything towards China, (again) nobody thinks of Chinese government as saints, everyone is aware of what they've done and they are being bashed left right and centre everyday by western media and every human rights organisation in the world, but Japanese politicians hold as much (if not more) responsiblity for causing anti Japanese sentiments in China and Korea as anyone else, how would peopel of Isreal feel if German government erects a monument for Nazi war criminals and house them like heroes ? You're so defensive on this matter you sound like a nationalist yourself.



 

iBlah said:
Lefil said:

I live in Japan and I know what I'm talking about. "Gaijin" is just the shortened word of "Gaikokujin." Japanese people don't use it to imply discrimination or racism.  "Gaijin/Gaikokujin" equals "foreigner".  As I said nationalism is everywhere. Just go to the following page and see the stupid American nationalism. http://www.japanprobe.com/2011/07/16/world-cup-facebook-status-updates-remember-pearl-harbor-bomb-japan-here-comes-another-tsunami/

This is how I see this thread:

OP: Miyazaki makes anti war film.

Other users: Respect for Miyazaki.

You: China is evil and nationalism is in every country.

I seriously do not understand where you're going with this, nobody has ever said that China or the USA is better than Japan, and nobody has ever said that only Japan has issues with nationalism, this thread is about Miyazaki, people were just expressing their opinions about the man until you started to turn it into a debate of politics and history, I don't need to be an expert of either field to know that anti war sentiment is always worth encouraging, and an artist who tries to promote peace through his work deserves respect regardless of his political belief.

Finally stop spinning everything towards China, (again) nobody thinks of Chinese government as saints, everyone is aware of what they've done and they are being bashed left right and centre everyday by western media and every human rights organisation in the world, but Japanese politicians hold as much (if not more) responsiblity for causing anti Japanese sentiments in China and Korea as anyone else, how would peopel of Isreal feel if German government erects a monument for Nazi war criminals and house them like heroes ? You're so defensive on this matter you sound like a nationalist yourself.

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. No one in Japan is criticizing Miyazaki for making an anti-war film. As I said before, he caused the controversy and criticism because of his ignorance about past Japanese apologies, and because of his stupid policies on the Senkaku Islands. He brought it on himself and it has nothing to do with the film's content. Ironically, South Korean people have been accusing this film of glorifying the war and Miyazaki had to hold a press conference for South Korean reporters to defend himself. South Korea has even banned Studio Ghibli's "Grave of Fireflies" because they don't want people to sympathize Japanese war victims.



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Lefil said:
iBlah said:

This is how I see this thread:

OP: Miyazaki makes anti war film.

Other users: Respect for Miyazaki.

You: China is evil and nationalism is in every country.

I seriously do not understand where you're going with this, nobody has ever said that China or the USA is better than Japan, and nobody has ever said that only Japan has issues with nationalism, this thread is about Miyazaki, people were just expressing their opinions about the man until you started to turn it into a debate of politics and history, I don't need to be an expert of either field to know that anti war sentiment is always worth encouraging, and an artist who tries to promote peace through his work deserves respect regardless of his political belief.

Finally stop spinning everything towards China, (again) nobody thinks of Chinese government as saints, everyone is aware of what they've done and they are being bashed left right and centre everyday by western media and every human rights organisation in the world, but Japanese politicians hold as much (if not more) responsiblity for causing anti Japanese sentiments in China and Korea as anyone else, how would peopel of Isreal feel if German government erects a monument for Nazi war criminals and house them like heroes ? You're so defensive on this matter you sound like a nationalist yourself.

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. No one in Japan is criticizing Miyazaki for making an anti-war film. As I said before, he caused the controversy and criticism because of his ignorance about past Japanese apologies, and because of his stupid policies on the Senkaku Islands. He brought it on himself and it has nothing to do with the film's content. Ironically, South Korean people have been accusing this film of glorifying the war and Miyazaki had to hold a press conference for South Korean reporters to defend himself. South Korea has even banned Studio Ghibli's "Grave of Fireflies" because they don't want people to sympathize Japanese war victims.

I'm sorry if I came out a little agressive, but you seem to have difficulty understanding other people's posts, nowhere did I ever say that Miyazaki's political viewpoint is absolutely right, nor did I even mention the islands in my posts, I also never said that your posts were incorrect in any ways because everyone is entitled to their own opinions, lastly I wasn't even trying to defend Miyazaki or his film, I was merely expressing my opinion. You just keep replying to posts that never existed, first with Mr Khan now with me.

What I WAS trying to say is that this thread is about Miyazaki, if you have issues with him, you can simply say it, without pushing your political belief and flaming other countries in the process, that was uncalled for, attitude like that was what caused the problem in the first place, both sides think they're absolutely right and the other side is made of evil.

Regardless of what you think, I think this silly conversation has gone on long enough, arguments like this never get anywhere, so I'll just stop it here. Have a nice day.



 

iBlah said:
Lefil said:
iBlah said:

This is how I see this thread:

OP: Miyazaki makes anti war film.

Other users: Respect for Miyazaki.

You: China is evil and nationalism is in every country.

I seriously do not understand where you're going with this, nobody has ever said that China or the USA is better than Japan, and nobody has ever said that only Japan has issues with nationalism, this thread is about Miyazaki, people were just expressing their opinions about the man until you started to turn it into a debate of politics and history, I don't need to be an expert of either field to know that anti war sentiment is always worth encouraging, and an artist who tries to promote peace through his work deserves respect regardless of his political belief.

Finally stop spinning everything towards China, (again) nobody thinks of Chinese government as saints, everyone is aware of what they've done and they are being bashed left right and centre everyday by western media and every human rights organisation in the world, but Japanese politicians hold as much (if not more) responsiblity for causing anti Japanese sentiments in China and Korea as anyone else, how would peopel of Isreal feel if German government erects a monument for Nazi war criminals and house them like heroes ? You're so defensive on this matter you sound like a nationalist yourself.

I'm sorry but you don't know what you are talking about. No one in Japan is criticizing Miyazaki for making an anti-war film. As I said before, he caused the controversy and criticism because of his ignorance about past Japanese apologies, and because of his stupid policies on the Senkaku Islands. He brought it on himself and it has nothing to do with the film's content. Ironically, South Korean people have been accusing this film of glorifying the war and Miyazaki had to hold a press conference for South Korean reporters to defend himself. South Korea has even banned Studio Ghibli's "Grave of Fireflies" because they don't want people to sympathize Japanese war victims.

I'm sorry if I came out a little agressive, but you seem to have difficulty understanding other people's posts, nowhere did I ever say that Miyazaki's political viewpoint is absolutely right, nor did I even mention the islands in my posts, I also never said that your posts were incorrect in any ways because everyone is entitled to their own opinions, lastly I wasn't even trying to defend Miyazaki or his film, I was merely expressing my opinion. You just keep replying to posts that never existed, first with Mr Khan now with me.

What I WAS trying to say is that this thread is about Miyazaki, if you have issues with him, you can simply say it, without pushing your political belief and flaming other countries in the process, that was uncalled for, attitude like that was what caused the problem in the first place, both sides think they're absolutely right and the other side is made of evil.

Regardless of what you think, I think this silly conversation has gone on long enough, arguments like this never get anywhere, so I'll just stop it here. Have a nice day.

 

OP: "Japanese people are criticizing Miyazaki for making an anti-war film"

Other users: "Shame on Japanese nationalists who criticize Miyazaki",  "Japan has never apologized for its wartime aggression" 

Me:"Miyazaki is being criticized because of his ignorance about historical/political issues, and Japanese people are not more nationalistic than people in other countries "

You: "You are a Japanese nationalist and you don't know what you are talking about"



Lefil said:


OP: "Japanese people are criticizing Miyazaki for making an anti-war film"

Other users: "Shame on Japanese nationalists who criticize Miyazaki",  "Japan has never apologized for its wartime aggression" 

Me:"Miyazaki is being criticized because of his ignorance about historical/political issues, and Japanese people are not more nationalistic than people in other countries "

You: "You are a Japanese nationalist and you don't know what you are talking about"


Take it however you want, as I said this is getting nowhere and let's not continue it, my apologies if you think I meant to offend, nice talking with you.