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the-pi-guy said:

"Well for starters, the best looking games this generation wasn't even on the PS3 or Xbox 360, it was on the PC."

It was definitely implied.  

A new generation of consoles should improve PC graphics also.  They aren't going to be held back by 7 or 8 year old consoles.  Graphics can be a very important thing for people.  I can think of dozens of games that wouldn't have been as good if graphics didn't improve to allow 3D.  So it's not like buying a new console for improved graphics is a ridiculous concept even compared to PCs.  Consoles are more powerful than PCs priced at the same, PS4 was estimated to be a 500 or 600$ PC.  This is without even adding the benefits of it being a console.  According to John Carmack, consoles give about twice as much as a PC at the same specs.


I can simply add one word to that and say: "The best looking games this console generation wasn't even on the PS3 or Xbox 360, it was on the PC."
Thus, you have taken it out of context.

If you want to get into cost, remember... Online gaming is free, games are significantly cheaper.
Over an entire consoles life, if you bought 100 games, you could have literally save thousands in software purchases by going with the PC. - That easily makes up for the hardware cost in my eyes.



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Pemalite said:
the-pi-guy said:

"Well for starters, the best looking games this generation wasn't even on the PS3 or Xbox 360, it was on the PC."

It was definitely implied.  

A new generation of consoles should improve PC graphics also.  They aren't going to be held back by 7 or 8 year old consoles.  Graphics can be a very important thing for people.  I can think of dozens of games that wouldn't have been as good if graphics didn't improve to allow 3D.  So it's not like buying a new console for improved graphics is a ridiculous concept even compared to PCs.  Consoles are more powerful than PCs priced at the same, PS4 was estimated to be a 500 or 600$ PC.  This is without even adding the benefits of it being a console.  According to John Carmack, consoles give about twice as much as a PC at the same specs.


I can simply add one word to that and say: "The best looking games this console generation wasn't even on the PS3 or Xbox 360, it was on the PC."
Thus, you have taken it out of context.

If you want to get into cost, remember... Online gaming is free, games are significantly cheaper.
Over an entire consoles life, if you bought 100 games, you could have literally save thousands in software purchases by going with the PC. - That easily makes up for the hardware cost in my eyes.


Yes but you'll probably have to upgrade during the gen and can't get exclusives




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Pemalite said:
the-pi-guy said:

"Well for starters, the best looking games this generation wasn't even on the PS3 or Xbox 360, it was on the PC."

It was definitely implied.  

A new generation of consoles should improve PC graphics also.  They aren't going to be held back by 7 or 8 year old consoles.  Graphics can be a very important thing for people.  I can think of dozens of games that wouldn't have been as good if graphics didn't improve to allow 3D.  So it's not like buying a new console for improved graphics is a ridiculous concept even compared to PCs.  Consoles are more powerful than PCs priced at the same, PS4 was estimated to be a 500 or 600$ PC.  This is without even adding the benefits of it being a console.  According to John Carmack, consoles give about twice as much as a PC at the same specs.


I can simply add one word to that and say: "The best looking games this console generation wasn't even on the PS3 or Xbox 360, it was on the PC."
Thus, you have taken it out of context.

If you want to get into cost, remember... Online gaming is free, games are significantly cheaper.
Over an entire consoles life, if you bought 100 games, you could have literally save thousands in software purchases by going with the PC. - That easily makes up for the hardware cost in my eyes.

I copy and pasted your line though.  If you are interested in online gaming great, but the consoles have a nice setup, everyone is connected to everyone else assuming they have the same system. Not the same way with PC though, Steam is kinda like a platform on the PC that does that though, but not everyone has steam.  Games are usually cheaper on PC, but stores often have sales for consoles in the same way after awhile.  A long while, for some titles...  

Games like Uncharted 2 and The Last of Us was easily worth that loss in my eyes.  It's fine if you disagree, but there's really no reason to think that I'm wrong.  



You will not notice inherent graphics differences in the games. Whatever differences there will be will be marginal and not important.

What IS important is how the architecture makes developing EASIER, not prettier. PS4's RAM is certainly fast, but I'm far more interested in how developers will be able to make games faster, smoother, and just flat out better thanks to the easier architecture.



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Imaginedvl said:
Nothing, just some bragging here and there :)

Considering the gap is a decent amount bigger than that between the PS3 and 360, of which we can see a pretty clear differences in their exclusives, I'd say it counts for a bit more than bragging right :P As for multi plats though, I doubt it'll count for much at all. Maybe a slightly higher or more stable fps for the PS4 version, but nobody is likely to notice without playing both.

 



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Well, like others have said the difference between the PS3 and the Xbox 360.

But it is a little more complected than just the GPU and the other hardware differences. The Xbox One will use DirectX 11.2 (something) the PS4 will use OpenGL (and/or possible license a DirectX 11 from Microsoft) OpenGL used to be the better platform, but in my opinion since around DirectX 6, the DX version has been better. (The original Xbox is DirectX 8, the X360 DX is 9C.)

The later Uncharted's look great, but so does Halo 4. They are both pushing those great graphics on the older systems. (I am looking forward to Halo 5 at 60fps.)

Visually, I think we will have things similar to this gen, where we have a visibly noticeable less powerful WiiU and the visibly about the same 1080P HD Twins.

As far as PC's, they sort of have their own generation. Yes, we get better hardware - more goddies, better frame rates, etc. but that's trimmings. We will probably not see huge increases until DirectX 12, which is probably not coming out till Windows 9. Which is probably at least a few years away.



 

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platformmaster918 said:


Yes but you'll probably have to upgrade during the gen and can't get exclusives


The PC has exclusives. All platforms do! Whether the exclusives on one platform is your cup-of-tea is another matter entirely and really up to personal taste and should/would direct your purchasing decision.

As for upgrading, if you build the PC in mind with decent components from the beginning you really only need to do GPU upgrades, often I see people still running 6-7 year old systems (Albeit overclocked, the Q6600 can still handle games fine today!) and simply just drop $100-$150 every 2-3 years, which might I add is the cost of multiplayer you pay for on the consoles anyway.
Thus, you still save money in the long run with the PC.



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Not much at launch. Both systems are way stronger than devs can handle and they are running cross gen games. Should be stuff only tech experts notice.

At the end of the gen though, it will be huge. As devs squeeze every ounce of power out of both systems, PS4 games could look much better than the xbox versions. Think og xbox verse ps2, but flipped and a bigger difference.

PS4 exclusives will be what really shine though.



NYCrysis said:
the-pi-guy said:
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Imaginedvl said:
NYCrysis said:

ps4 can be native 1080 while one might be sub full hd. One can maintain a better framerate than the other. Pretty much all I can think of in terms of multiplat games due to them needing to be on Parity.

Forza says hi... I think you are just making thing out of nowhere...

You know that the Xbox 360 can do native 1080p at 60sec without any problem right?... While displaying a single black box :)

Same for the PS4/Xbox One, there is no : "PS4 can do 1080p native, while Xbox One can do sub-HD...., both can do native 1080p and it will depend on game developpers now...

Uh... your dead wrong. He's talking about a multiplatform game. And yes more power means one version will be reduced resolution and or framerate. Citing an exclusive game built from the ground up for one platform means nothing. Digital Foundry has done tests with PC's to see what a system with 50% less compute units would need to do to keep up with a more powerful machine and running at 900p instead of 1080p is what they found was needed. NYCrysis was dead on.

Digital Foundry's test was not well designed.  

There are a lot of things that a gpu is used for.  They could easily have both versions have the same frame rate and same resolution and increase draw distances on PS4.  There are a lot of options to mess around with on PC for a reason, they all affect performance.  

DF forgot ONE MAJOR thing about the gpu's and it's that the ps4 has DOUBLE the rops of the xbone and in df's test both gpu's had the same # of rops.

That's correct. DF did not consider bandwidth or ROP's which will be a factor in PS4's favor, but even the results they came up with are pretty huge. You've got to take their comparison as a crude experiment - testing a certain specific senario. Droping resolution a tad might be the best senario for Xbox One as lowering LOD's or framerate would be more noticable. Still - the difference between 1080p and 900p will be enough for most to choose PS4 versions. 

 



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