antfromtashkent said:
dsgrue3 said:
I'm sorry, but you are not being realistic here. There is a basis to every religion and that is god. So suggesting religions only teach love for one another is total bullshit. That is among many other teachings of the religion itself. You also failed to address the indoctrination of children. So even if I abandon all of my senses, you're still left with people forcing religion down their own children's throats.
I left the quote you're reffering to. I did not say ALL religions. Stop lumping all faiths together. Are you saying that all children that are born into a religious home are magically turned into religious zombies? Dont be ridiculous. As I said before (a couple of times now) there are reasonable, educated religious homes that let their childred deside what to belive.
So if someone walks up to you and says the moon is made of cheese, you would respect that position? Just trying to follow your logic or lack thereof on the matter here. Furthmore, your third grader analogy does not make any sense at all. There is no trading of mockery here. Simply one side in reality, the other not so much.
The 3rd grader analogy is the vicious circle of hate that is produced by individuals like you that push people to defend their faith to you because you are not satisfied with their way of life. This is not productive and just fuel to the fire for no reason.
EX:
3rd Grader 1: God is great.
3rd Gradern 2: Dont be stupid
3rd Grader 1: SHUT UP! THE DEVIL MADE YOU BELIEVE THAT!
3rd Grader 2: WERE MADE OF STARDUST!
Teacher: Come on boys
3rd Grader 2: HE STARTED IT!
Get it?
Since I just destroyed your analogy as it wasn't suitable at all to the content, I still fail to see any hypocrisy here.
If you're suggesting the indoctrination of children doesn't happen, I'm extremely confused. Have you ever been to a church?
After your reply, I'm left totally baffled. It's as though I just witnessed an expose on how to avoid responding to someone else's post by using nonsense.
Hopefully that cleared it up for you. Once again not all religious people are thesame. You said you dont have a problem with some religious people and then you lump them all together again.
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I'll try and be constructive about this, but you're making it very difficult when you miss the content by such a wide margin.
It does not matter if I say religion or one religion or a few religions, the point remains the same. No religion teaches just love everyone; there are other aspects of the religion that are taught and accepted. To deny this is to deny the entire concept of religion itself.
Yes, I am suggesting that the majority of the time religion IS being introduced through coercive measures to the spawn of other religious people. This is evidenced by the Christian predilection in the US, the Muslim one in the Middle East, the Hindu one in India. Furthermore, when you analyze the subsets of the non-majority religions, there is no conversion...the muslims in the US have children who become muslim as opposed to Christian. I wonder why? Indoctrination, plain to see...you need only open your eyes.
When their faith is destructive to not only myself, but to others (as well as their own children) it must be challenged. Why are we allowing these people to spread wishful thinking and bronze age nonsense? You've been the destructive power of theocrats and those doing god's will. It causes dangerous thinking. I believe most religious people are upstanding citizens misguided by misguided parents. It's a vicious cycle.
I'm really not sure what your analogy is about. It's as if you think faith is a valid argument that should not be challenged - that's called dogma and I despise it. It baffles me why you think this way. I haven't rested my case with "Don't be stupid" either. I've presented a logical argument for why I have this viewpoint that you seem to completely ignore (repeatedly, I might add).
Hope it's clear.