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Screamapillar said:


I agree.  I think the American people have had the wool pulled over their eyes for a long time.  Voting for crooked politicians that get elected to preserve the status quo and grow the size (thereby the wealth and power) of the government.  That's why I don't support either of the two major parties during elections.  Or watch cable news.

Thank you buddy. Let's solve our own problems first before we dip into others.In my sincere opinion, I don't believe illegal immigration is the reason for most problems in our weak economy. But i will quickly point my fingers at corrupt politicians giving in to lobbyist which intentions are maximizing profit by exporting jobs outside US.

KBR(Dick Chenney's company) used to manage US bases and F.O.Bs in Iraq and majority of it's employees were from South East Asia. Guess how much money they got from US government on contracts to deliver piss poor service and hire foreigners?

Edit: Should I say the money was tax free?



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i don 't believe in nation so for me i can 't understand what means immigrant we are all humans on a single planet borders are created by us there are no legal or illegal immigrants



ps3_jrpg_gamer said:
i don 't believe in nation so for me i can 't understand what means immigrant we are all humans on a single planet borders are created by us there are no legal or illegal immigrants

Say that to the nationalists.



spurgeonryan said:

Is it a racial thing?

 

Because they are supposedly stealing Americans Jobs?

 

Or is it because of how poor most are?

 

I ask this because I just got back from College, and they were having a school back pack give away. Just bring your kids and they get a back pack with school supplies.

I am not being racist here, just stating what I saw. There were over 1,000 people. Some there as early as 3 a.m. Most were Latin American, maybe 20 percent were African American, and 5 percent were white trash type people. I am white, so do not ban me. They were poor white people I should say maybe.

They stood in line all night and day ( until 2 pm) to get a cheap back pack with 5 dollars in school supplies in them. If you were too far back in line, you got one of those cheap string bags with Pencils and notebooks in them.

Anyways. It made me think. Look at all these poor people in America willing to go through all this hassle for 15 dollars in back to school gear. They are mostly Latin Americans!

I guess that would be my main concern. I do not care about Race or stealing my jobs. Most of the jobs are ones I would not do anyways. And all you Americans know it! We are too lazy to do them.

What do you think?

thats a loaded question. it implies that if someone is anti-illegal immigration then they are anti immigrant. when in fact the vast majority of anti-illegal immagration proponents are very much pro-legal immigration.

people are anti-illegal immigration largely because that groups tends to avoid any sort of assimilation, thereby largely segragating themselves from the rest of society. Not learning the language is another part of it. 

Also illegal aliens tend to be very poor and uneducated, so its not bringing the best, or even the average skillsets and minds to the country.

Also since they dont have many working qualifactions or specific skills they take low skill jobs at even lower pay, thereby forcing the citizens out of said job, by A) taking the job and B) artificially lowering the market wage for the job and forcing legal citizens out.

Also illegals tend to commit crimes at a higher rate than legal citizens



I used to be a gutterpunk squatting in Abandoned buildings and spanging for cash and even then if someone asked me for change id empty my pockets... I do believe in helping out the less fortunate, but the tax money spent in such things is part of the reason purple are so angry about immigration. I believe most major religions (judaism, islam, Christianity) have taking care of the poor as a tenant of faith and feel it is more so their responsibility than the goverments



Talal said:
I will permaban myself if the game releases in 2014.

in reference to KH3 release date

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Rome was a melting point of peoples and cultures but the old adage (although some tried to pretend it was not the case ) "when in Rome do as the Romans do" went a long way in created a somewhat unified peoples... quote from Berry's TV program.

Since the dawn of modern man there have always been and always will be hatred, greed and envy. Those that live in cuckoo land think that 300m Muslims, Asians, Latinos etc., can move to the US and everyone will sit around a camp fire singing Kumbaya. Even with things the way they are now racism is a problem. In the last few years from Greece, France to Scandinavia immigration has created unrest.

I have no issues with a man's race. I do however have issues with what a person believes to be right and wrong and what makes good citizenship.

I believe that mass immigration will create significant social problems and unrest in any country. That is what worries me about unchecked immigration. A lot of immigrants have no loyalty to the country they are now a citizen of but exploit their new country to the max. It's not PC to talk about it but the mass amount of money being "taken out" of the country by some nationalities in the UK is shocking.
A blind eye is thus turned.





It's time for the idiot nationalists in the world to stop playing the blame game and just have a look at themselves and see that it's likely there own fault for the problems their society faces. I mean it is easy to blame someone, anyone can do that but you are truly great if you sort out a problem. People who have been here for 5 minutes can hardly cause the economy to crash. But fortunately it is easy to blame them and stop people from fixing the real problems in society. Immigration, regardless of whether it is illegal or not is just used as a political game mostly from the right to breed hatred and violence onto foreigners and so away from people who caused stuff like the economy to crash and stagnate, like bankers and businessmen. The blame game is convenient for them. And unfortunately, today's situation in some countries anyway seems to a repeat of the 1930's. Nationalism is a disease that never seems to be cured thanks to gullible people.    

And also if illegal immigration is such a problem then how can no one seems to have come up with a better solution to it yet? Instead we continue to yet them past and by the time they settle down, it is almost impossible to find them and i think by then you might as well give them the chance to become a citizen rather than kick them out. We need to get better border controls. Instead in the UK anyway, our government think it is a good idea to use racial profiling to find so called illegals. Bloody morons! 



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MDMAlliance said:
No form of immigration angers me. Not even when they "don't contribute anything." My parents are (legal) immigrants. What angers me is intolerance for immigrants.

You don't mind when people just sit around and do nothing but expect everything? Or not even that; people just blatantly breaking the clearly stated law? Why would you say that? How are either of these things okay?

I'm completely perfectly fine with (legal) immigration. When you come into any country legally and literally work for it, you deserve respect and to be apart of the society, if you want to. People should allow you to come in, not push you away.

But, when you "hop the border" you are doing something illegal. If you really want to be apart of our, or any, country do it the right way. And make sure you don't sit on your butt and expect, expect, expect.

i dont know why but your post reminded of this video.



RICHMOND, Va. -- Laura Wilkerson, a Texan whose son Josh was murdered by an illegal alien who would have qualified for amnesty under a DREAM Act-like law, emotionally broke down and cried during her speech here at Jefferson Park in downtown Richmond on Monday night at the first stop of the “Stop Amnesty Tour.”

“My name is Laura Wilkerson,” she said. “My husband George and I live just outside Houston, Texas. We’ve been married 25 years and we’ve raised three children. Our youngest son, Joshua, was brutally murdered on Nov. 16, 2010, by a kid who was a classmate of him. We found out later he was from Belize, brought here illegally by his parents when he was about 10 years old. I’m just going to tell you the story. It’s sad story. If I cry, don’t let it bug you. It’s part of my daily routine at this point. I hope that it makes you mad, because I think Josh deserved to live if only because he was an American citizen.”

After Mrs. Wilkerson warned the audience of the likely coming outpouring of emotion, she trudged forward with the details about what happened to her son. “It was a typical Tuesday,” she said. “Joshua was in his senior year of high school and he was 18 years old. It was November and he would have graduated in May. He came in in the morning when I was getting ready for work and said ‘bye, Mom. I’m leaving to go to school.’ I said, ‘okay, I love you Josh. I’ll be home early today. I’ll be home around 1 o’clock.’ He said ‘I love you too, Mom.’ I said, ‘see ya.’ I stood there at the glass door and watched him get in his truck and he got to the end of the street and turn. I shut the door and went on and proceeded to get ready for work, never knowing it would be the last time I see him.”

Around 1:30 p.m., after she had not heard from Josh, she said “mother’s instinct” or perhaps God, made her think something was not right. “Josh was the kind of kid that he’d never been in trouble over a traffic ticket,” she said. “He always let me know where he was. I texted him and said ‘just let me know you’re okay.’”

After Josh did not respond to that text message, Mrs. Wilkerson said she “became frantic.”

“I just started to drive around and look,” she said, fighting off tears by this point in her speech. “I drove by a couple of his friends’ houses that I thought maybe he would go to and by the gym that he went to. Nothing. I looked around for about an hour or two and by the police station, no wrecks, no one in the hospital. Then I happened to look to the left and I saw his truck parked in a parking lot, a strip center by a dumpster. I stopped at it and looked at it. I could tell something was wrong; it had been driven through a field. There were seeds and grass, which was out of the ordinary. So, I called my husband to come. He came, and we called the police. They came, and in just a few minutes they asked me over and they slid open the dumpster next to the truck.”

Through sobs, Mrs. Wilkerson said the police then said to her: “Mom, are these his things?”

“Yeah,” she responded, as police pulled Josh’s shoes, backpack and other belongings out of the dumpster his truck was parked next to.

“I knew then he was dead, not coming home,” Mrs. Wilkerson said. “I just didn’t know how or why. None of it made sense to me. At any rate, we were finally told to go home from that parking lot at 11 at night. So we went home, just shocked and stunned, not knowing anything.”

Around 3 a.m., she said, police came back to see her and her husband at their home and informed them they had a suspect in custody. Police told them to be back at that parking lot at 6 a.m. because Texas Equusearch, a mounted search, recovery and rescue team in the state, was going to look for Josh. “We think he’s hurt and we think he needs help,” she said the police told her. “And we need to find him.”

“Now, when you hear the words, none of it makes sense,” she said. “It doesn’t make sense. The word ‘suspect’? You hear that every day, I thought. Nothing makes sense to me. At any rate we went to the parking lot the next day and Texas Equusearch looked for Josh with ATVs, boats, sonar, horses. They walked a grid. The community just poured out for Josh. It was incredible. It was just unbelievable. We stayed in that parking lot until dark and then we went home.”

About 20 minutes later, police visited their home again. “The detectives, they came in and I just looked at them,” Mrs. Wilkerson said. “I said, ‘you found him.’ They said ‘yes.’ I said, ‘what did he look like?’ He said ‘I didn’t see him.’ I should have known that he did, but he didn’t want to tell me about it.”

Wilkerson said she will always remember the look on the detective’s face when he told her the suspect in custody, Hermilio Moralez, was not in America legally.

“I’ll never forget looking in that detective’s eyes as he was telling me, ‘yeah this kid is in the country illegally,’” Mrs. Wilkerson told the crowd in Richmond. “I said ‘where are his parents?’ He said, ‘we can’t ask him.’ He couldn’t ask them because it was a sanctuary city at that time. I thought, ‘really? You could pull me over and ask me any question under the sun, legally, but you can’t ask that?’ It just made no sense to me. It stuck in my head forever.”

After two years of waiting for a trial, the Wilkersons finally got more answers and saw Moralez convicted in January of this year. At the trial, she said, “the horror was just incredible.”

“We found out later that what he [Hermilio Moralez] did was he asked Josh for a ride home from school and Josh said, ‘sure,’” Mrs. Wilkerson said. “I think he’d given him a ride home two or three times before. He took him actually to his parents’ house. For some reason, we found out later why, what he did to Josh was he hit him in the nose, and this is what the kid tells from the stand, he hit him in the nose so hard that it would blind him so that he couldn’t fight back. Then he kicked him so hard in the stomach. Josh was about this big around and he weighed about 100 pounds in the body bag. He kicked him so hard in the stomach that his liver sliced in two and his spine sliced in two. He ruptured his spleen. He took a closet rod and beat Josh over the head so hard with it that it broke in four pieces. He strangled him, then let him go. Strangled him, let him go. Per the medical examiner, it was just torturous. After he murdered him, as he said, when Josh quit having bloody bubbles come out of his nose, he knew he was gone, he tied him up like an animal with about 13 ropes from his the back of his neck to the back of his hands, to the back of his feet. He covered his head with his school shirt. Then he put him in the back of my son’s truck and he drove around and he took two dollars out of Josh’s wallet and he stopped and bought gas. Then he took him to a field and he took his wallet and school ID out and just placed it by the body. Then he doused him with gas and set him on fire. It was just incredible. You just don’t even believe something like this will happen to your family, let alone to just your kid. What we saw in the beginning of the trial, in the opening, was the police going out to this itty bitty trail and there you saw, when they finally got to Josh, you finally saw him in the fetal position, barefooted, charred, bound up. The policeman said he looked like a doll. He didn’t even look real. He looked so tiny. Then after that in the trial the next picture was of his face after they removed his shirt. It was horribly disfigured by the closet rod. So one of the last pictures I saw of Josh was one where his face is just --- one of his eyebrows is here, and the other is very low. It’s something you don’t want to be reminded of.”

Mrs. Wilkerson said that during the trial, Moralez “was proud on the stand.”

“He got up there and said he was trained to kill and that Josh had kicked his dog and that his killing skills took over,” she said. “From the stand, his said his culture was very different than ours. And he really was excited about what he had done. He never once showed any amount of remorse or sorrow for what he did to Josh.”

She told those at the rally that, “I assure you this was my 9-11. This was my terrorist attack.”

“It was as if a bomb went off in my family,” she said. ”And we will forever be picking the pieces up. Forever. We’ll never be the same. Ever. To have to stand up here and think about this Gang of Eight and it makes no sense to me. Why aren’t they mad that they allowed someone to just walk across a border and kill an American citizen? I want you to be mad about it more than I want you to be sad for me.”

Wilkerson said she had to call her oldest son home from serving the U.S. Air Force so he could learn what happened.

“It’s ironic that I had to call the American Red Cross to get a hold of my oldest son Adam, who is serving in the United States Air Force defending this country, to bring him home for two weeks to bury his little brother,” she said. “No one in this country was defending him or us because the borders are wide open. It’s not just about missing Josh. The fallout from this is just forever for my family. I’ve seen this. We’re broken. That’s why you don’t see a lot of families testifying. It takes everything you can do to get up and still earn a living and to breathe and to start over. So you don’t see a lot of people who can do it. It’s tough. It will just never, ever be the same. I want people to be mad. I want people to be mad you can just come across this border.”

Wilkerson thanked Rep. Steve King (R-IA) for being one of the few members of Congress willing to stand up for Americans on this issue, and berated those who are will not fight for justice as being part of the problem.

“I really congratulate Congressman King for voicing his opinion because everybody is so worried about being politically correct they won’t say anything,” Wilkerson said. “For the Gang of Eight and every other Senator and Congressman that are trying to go under the radar and sit quietly on the subject, they’ve thrown their hats into the ring and that’s against Americans. If you are not standing up for Americans, you’re against Americans. There’s really not any fence-walking in this. You’re either for or you’re against Americans. I want you to remember that their silence speaks volumes.” 



spurgeonryan said:
oldschoolfool said:
people love anything that's free. I'm sure if starbucks offered one small free cup of coffee,there would be a line around the block. Are if someone offered one free donut,there would be a line 10 miles long. I think it has to do more with that,then any immigration thing.


But the question is "Why are we so angry"? Immigration is part of America's history. What has changed now?


I'm all for immigration however they are willing to work for half what they should be making. The worst part the people using these immigrants as cheap labor are still selling products and services at a higher price. The second part, immigrants come from all over the globe yet we have more illegals from Latin/Spanish descent. Why is that? Why do higher percentage of immigrants try to legally enter our country that do not come from Spanish descent?

When I was a teenager I mowed my neighbors lawn for 20$ a pop. Then by the end of the summer I was fired because 4 Mexicans came along for 60$ a week not per visit and mowed trimmed and once a month pulled weeds. How can 1 person compete with that? Again they are willing to work for almost no money. It's a problem that simple changes to  labor laws could resolve. 

We don't need to hate on anyone or cause problems for anyone race ; however, if we change our laws and prevent this work from going to immigrants they will stop coming. 

Another issue I have is they are not protected either. Most have construction jobs yet have no benefits or disability insurance. They all pay taxes because their employees has to pay those items yet they don't receive any social security etc etc. if they had health insurance maybe we wouldn't have such a burden on the healthcare system. 

Remocing the 14th amendment would be a starting point. 

You want to come here no problem do it the right way.