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JGarret on 11 August 2013

Holy fuck, john lucas is back!

I wonder if the only other guy who was more, say, optimistic than you will return too..the '300 million Wiis sold (or was it 400?,,500?..lol)' guy, Avinash.



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S.Peelman on 11 August 2013

Wow, I've heard of the legend, but this indeed does blow the mind. Excellent, worthy-of-legend OP.

I can actually agree with a lot of stuff in there, even if I've already forgotten most of it because it was such a long read, especially the 7th gen analysis is quite good.

Don't fully agree with the final conclusion about the final course of the 8th gen though. I don't think Nintendo will return to such a dominant position again, except if the industry crashes once more. They would survive because of their policies, I'm with you there. I think Sony and MS are playing it with a little more competence this time around though. If third parties do the same, we should at least survive another generation. I see Sony in a strong position as of now, because they pretty much have done everything right up until now. Could be way different of course after the holiday season, who knows. WiiU's current predicament is known, but I also believe there are still plenty chances to turn it around. For the record, I think WiiU will end in 2nd place at the end of the generation with a 60m-ish lifetime number and Jan14 sales should be at 7m, which is fine.



POE on 11 August 2013
JoeTheBro said:
POE said:

That was.......amazing!!!



Why? I feel like that kid in school not understanding the joke. Is it just because he wrote a lot, it's pro Nintendo, or what?


I just had a good time reading it.



DialgaMarine on 11 August 2013
johnlucas said:
DialgaMarine said:

Very well done and thought out article, but I have to point out one major flaw. You failed to mention one really big reason why the Wii sold so well, while previous Nintendo console sales were steadily going down with each generation, despite all of them having almost identical 1st party lineup and a much stronger lineup overall. Wii didn't sell only to previous Nintendo console owners. In fact, it didn't really even sell to previous console owners period. It sold to an audience that was almost completely new to gaming. An audience that bought the console, not because they did some product research and found it matched their preference (as they really had none), but because it was affordable, cute, and was all the buzz their favorite talk show and news hosts raved all about it. So, grandma and grandpa, mommy and daddy, all went went out to buy these new cheap and popular toys for little Susie and Billy that would keep them entertained for years to come. Casual vs. Hardcore isn't the difference between what console someone has purchased, or the games for that matter; it's the difference between how much gaming they have done in the past. Wii owners, on the majority, have done none. This explains why the Wii has since become an extremely poor seller, why the 360 and PS3 have remained somewhat consistent, and why the Wii-U isn't selling anywhere close to Wii and will be lucky to even come close to GC numbers. You were right. The Wii sold on inclusiveness, but inclusiveness of families containing people who could care less about gaming. They simply own the console for the mass appeal. The Wii-U doesn't have that, and the audience it's trying to sell to is long since gone.

You're ideas of a unified games industry are great and all but, alas, they're futile. It jut won't happen. There's still always going to be some sort of huge division in the games industry. People who purchased a PS or Xbox system in the past are going to continue to do so. If Nintendo is trying to create some sort of revolution, they won't be the ones to finish it. They'll have to wait until they can create some new peripheral with mass appeal down the road, and sell it to that generation of casuals. It's not going to be the Wii-U.

I don't mean to come off some sort of dick, btw. I did enjoy the article. I'm just giving my honest opinion.


I hear your concern & I was once doubtful about Nintendo's motives this gen too. Like I said at the start of the thread.
But let me use an anecdotal example of how I know Wii U will surge.

I have this co-worker at my job. Late 20s big time gamer. Console of choice is currently the XBox 360.
Years ago he used to go around everywhere with his PSP. Had it modded so he can play games from all systems on it.
A couple of years ago he got sucked into his smartphone & now carries THAT everywhere he goes. He plays games from all systems on it too.
But being a person who loved his PSP, he became EXCITED for the PS Vita when it came out.
Mentioned he entered a Taco Bell contest to get a free one & everything.

There was some mishap with the contest & his Vita was tied up in red tape.
Some weeks later I ask him about what happened with that & he surprisingly told me he wasn't really interested in Vita anymore.
That shocked me. This guy was Gung Ho about Vita not too long ago & now is so Meh about the whole thing you would never know he cared.
He goes back to his go-to smartphone.
That was last year in 2012.

I buy my 3DS in the middle of June this year.
I'm quite an oddity these days because I don't have a cell phone & don't really want one (not much of a phone person really).
I use my DSi like most people use their phones. I listen to music on it, take pictures on it, use my Nintendo Countdown Calendar to remember important dates, use my Animal Crossing Clock as an alarm to get up for work, measure my steps on my Nintendo pedometer on Personal Trainer: Walking, browse the internet on it sometimes if I'm not at my desktop, along with playing a host of games on it with other apps.
Now I'm pairing my 3DS up with my DSi, syncing the songs on the DSi/3DS Sound programs for laughs.

On my lunch break my co-worker comes in while I'm messing around with my 3DS & DSi.
I decide to show him a cool Nintendo Video which was on there at the time called "Little Boat 3D".
The 3D effects on that were amazing! And after he saw this, suddenly he became intrigued by the 3DS.
He was doubtful before but with Monster Hunter calling him, he was contemplating getting a 3DS just to play it.

Once so anticipating of Vita, now so enthused of the 3DS & all because of a little 3D boat...and Monster Hunter.

He's currently excited about the XBox One but Monster Hunter will probably bring him over to Wii U side too.

The audience is there, DialgaMarine, & the fun part is most of them don't even know it.
John Lucas

 I see where you're going with this, but I find impossible that anything out there can unify the entire games industry. The model that is currently in place is the same one that has been in place since the days of the Atari 2600 and the Magnavox Odyssey. Different platforms will always different experiences to cater to different people's different tastes. Mabye I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, but it sounds like you're say that Wii-U will offer the ideal gaming experience and everyone will flock to the console, completely abandonning the likes of Playstation and Xbox, all because the Wii-U happens to offer certain games that they don't. Problem is, Playstation and Xbox have that same advantage. Not only that, Next gen seems to be primarily revolving around them while the Wii-U is seemingly getting the short end of the stick in terms of next gen gens (especially from third party). Nintendo might have a wonderful vision about the industry, but they lack the console and genuine experience to back that up. Different gamers have different tastes in what they're looking for. It's why we have fanboys. No one console will ever completely dominate the others, especially not Wii-U.

If you don't mind replying again, please tell what I'm missing from your statement. Mabye I'm just confused. Me personally, I don't hate the Wii-U. I'm extremely disappointed in Nintendo, as they seem to have lost their way from made them a huge name in the first place. 





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richardhutnik on 11 August 2013
errorpwns said:
richardhutnik said:
errorpwns said:
richardhutnik said:

If you are going to argue that "horsepower doesn't matter" then why should anyone bother upgrading now?   Why not just stick with a PS3, or 360, or one of these Android based consoles (OUYA and onward)?

The argument for the Wii U, is that gamers NEED to have a second screen in their living room.  That is IT for the Wii U.  So, you need to argue why this second screen is such a critical feature that it will win over hardcore gamers that you had stated it would, because the Wii U is supposed to be a "hardcore" console, according to your estimate.  The Wii U is supposed to outdo a PS4 that is more powerful, with much larger internal storage, and ONLY $50 more expensive.  The WiiU is supposed to do this without really an EA support and every third-party turning their nose on it, as far as next gen console content goes.  The Wii U gets current gen stuff, to some extent, but is this stuff really being shown that much better than current gen stuff?

Second screen and Nintendo's exclusives are what the Wii U has.  Is that enough?


What are you talking about? You upgrade for the GAMES. It isn't about the HORSEPOWER. It is about the GAMES. GAMES GAMES GAMES. When developers quit releasing games you want on the 360/PS3 then you want to upgrade to the newest console to get your games. If it was just about horsepower for people everyone would buy new consoles on day one. Or you wouldn't hear people waiting for better games. The Wii-U isn't doing bad right now due to its Horsepower. It NEEDS MORE GAMES.

For Nintendo to get the games from third-party, it is going to have to sell a LOT better.  This requires looking at what it would take for the Wii U to sell better.  As it is now, they aren't adding the Wii U to the list of console for next gen stuff.  Sure, The U is getting some of the current gen stuff, but not much beyond it.  And horsepower is a reason why third-party is hesitant to do anything Wii U.  it isn't in the same class as the ONE and PS4, and developers don't want to code to it, as a result, unless it has sufficient sales.

It doesn't even have that strong of a first party library right now. It could be doing a lot better if Nintendo had already released Mario Kart 7, a better 3d mario as well as the 2d mario, and Zelda and other titles. 

This could end up making a big difference, and be harmful long term.  The Wii U has to be part of the development set that the ONE and PS4 have, or it isn't going to get the next gen third party stuff.  And if those titles do sell, the U will get left behind.  As of now, third party is not jumping on it, and only doing current gen stuff on it, if that.

Nintendo is facing stuff like this: http://www.joystiq.com/2013/08/06/wii-u-not-on-bethesdas-short-term-radar/

Bethsoft sites capabilities of the Wii U as a major reason.



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richardhutnik on 11 August 2013
hinch said:
JoeTheBro said:



Why? I feel like that kid in school not understanding the joke. Is it just because he wrote a lot, it's pro Nintendo, or what?

I'd go with Nintendo-evangelism. A state of mind which goes above all and transcends logic. A true beleiver, if you will.

And now, the words "Mario Monks" dances in my head.



DucksUnlimited on 11 August 2013
HoloDust said:

The perfect response.



Incubi on 11 August 2013
DucksUnlimited said:
HoloDust said:

The perfect response.

Nah. This is the perfect response:



snyps on 12 August 2013

this^^ and 50¢ crap eatin grin isn't a dignified response. What i love is how all the very vocal Wii U haters (i say that in the nicest way cuz we love you guys) are so tight lipped in this thread!!! You can't say nothing because you got nothing.



Torillian on 12 August 2013
snyps said:
this^^ and 50¢ crap eatin grin isn't a dignified response. What i love is how all the very vocal Wii U haters (i say that in the nicest way cuz we love you guys) are so tight lipped in this thread!!! You can't say nothing because you got nothing.


I don't know, I'd remind people that John really just got one prediction right out of quite a few  Don't think he ever said anything correct when it came to the PS3, and he over estimated Wii for every prediction after that initial one.  Sure he could end up right here, but it'll just mean that what he wanted to happe actually occured and not that he has any amazing predictive abilities.  I've always had the impression that John starts with the conclusion he wants and works backwards to bring evidence for what might be able to make that happen, and that's the essence of a biased and useless opinion when it comes to predictions.  Nothing I've seen since that initial impression has made me think any differently about him.  



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