Some of you believe to have found the answer to the ever-itching riddle, how can we be masters of our actions if God already knows.

The good news is, I believe I have found it.

Most of us, when looking for the answer to this age-old question, build it on one assumption: that if God knows our choices, then they are pre-determined because he knows the reasons why we made the choices. That assumption could not be further from the truth.

If we truly have free-will, then there is absolutely no pre-defined pattern as to why we chose this or that path in our lives. Your mind will be blown, but God's omniscience does not require logic: He is omniscient.

For every choice we have availble to make in our lives, in the infinity of choices we make in our lives, we have an infinity of possible options. For that 360 degress of choice freedom, we can choose any path. yet God knows the final path. He does not need to know how or what led us to that choice, because there is no set path, he just knows regardless if there is absolutely no way to trace our choices one to the other along the path, because he is God and omniscient. He just knows.

This makes perfect sense when you  bring it all into its cosmic picture. The devil would never had tempted Jesus if he knew that Jesus would not falter. He would never have mocked Jesus if he knew that Jesus would end up crushing his head on the cross. The devil simply did not know. He may have insight on the reasons why you may make a choice or another, but ultimately there is no set path and since he is not all-knowing, he simply doesn't know.

Put that in your pipe, and smoke it. Enjoy your pipe because I have more revelations I had yesterday that I will share.

I just say that there is no god, and we just do whatever we want without thinking that we have to have a pre-determined outcome because there's an all knowing God.

Just because someone knows something will happen, doesn't mean he has an active part in it actually happening.

Seeing the future and forging it are 2 different things.

Hmm... Seems like broken logic to me. It doesn't matter whether or not God knows why you made the choices in your life that you ended up making: If God knows what you will choose before you chose it, you are determined to choose it.

For example, you may finally be offered your dream job three days from now. God may not have any idea of why you will eventually choose to decline this job, but fact remains that he knew you would end up declining it before the universe was created. Same goes for every decision that every human has and will make during their lifetimes.

All decisions are determined (by God in this case since he created the universe as we know it despite knowing the outcome in perfect detail), and are thereby not free by default. It does not matter if God knows why they were made or not, as long as he is aware of the outcome.

Maybe, but in this case he certainly does.

I mean, God knew precisely what would happen within the universe before he created it. Since he created every detail of it and knew how they would react to each other, he is responsible for everything that happens. For example, if I set up a bunch of domino bricks in a near perfect alignment and decides to push one brick, I am most certainly to blame not only for the first brick falling, but for every brick that falls. Same thing with the, by God, pre-determined universe.

What difference does it make if my choices are predetermined or not? If I personally don't know the specific outcome, my decisions are still going to be the same.

Maybe I just didn't fully understand the concept, but I don't find that very convincing to be honest.

But then again, I don't really believe in "free will" anyway. So even if I believed in this special (and mainly christian) notion of god, I wouldn't even see an actual contradiction between free will and an all-knowing/foreseeing god.

Hey 1, I'm glad you joined. I think that this is where I am convinced by yesterday's revelation. The bricks actually don't fall in domino, there is no set path, no interconnection. Otherwise, it is not free will.

Hynad, I'm happy to see you too. (and I'm sorry for how I treated you...)

I don't believe in God.

So I don't agree with this lol

Seemed like nonsensical ramblings.

It's simple, if god is omniscient then your path is known - predetermined (not necessarily influenced).

Free Will and determinism can't coexist. At best, with omniscience, you have the appearance of free will. You see choice, god sees the choice AND the outcome.

Can't have your cake and eat it too, sir.