So by now we all know if you want to play online on the X1 or PS4 your gonna have to pay $60 or $50...  Think about this for a second, you already pay monthly for your internet, but just to use your internet on Microsoft's or Sony's device you have to pay them.  People will make the argurment, oh its only 20 cents a day or something, well that money adds up over time, lets say you had a 360 for 5 years and were paying for live, that's $300!  Why the hell am I paying $300 just to use the internet that I already pay for.

I think what the PS3 did was perfect, let it be OPTIONAL.  Have that premium service, but show the consumer the value in it and if it is worth it then they will pay it.  I mean with them offering Driveclub for free and PS Plus only being $50 and Driveclub being $60 + all the other free games I think a majority of PS4 owners would have got PS Plus anyway regardless if it was required or not.

Personally when I get a PS4 or X1 I don't plan to ever pay for online.  Almost every game I play right now is single player only, and when a game does have online I don't even touch it, ex Tomb Raider.  I was never that big of an online gamer to begin with, always prefered single player experiences, but with games like The Division, Destiny, Deep Down and The Crew being always online it just pisses me off that I have to pay $60 for the game then $60 for online, I'm basically paying $120 just to play that game only for 1 year.

Right now its obviouly not seen as a selling freature for the Wii U because it doesn't have a lot of online games, but when Mario Kart 8 online and SSB online are out, I think people will recognize that.  Also the next gen systems aren't even out yet so free online is still the norm, with 2 consoles being free and one being requried.  I think Nintendo should be writing "Free online" on the front of the Wii U box.

So just wanted to get that off my chest, what do you guys think about this?

it's all business. If sony could have charged for online this gen, they would have. Just the 360 would have buried them because of PS3's bad start.

I want everything to be free, and I play on PC, and like Starcraft is free, which is the only game I play, and won't pay for online 99% of the time. But, I don't like DLC either, but I can't do nothin about it :(.

Things are changing. Back when online meant player to player connections, it was a joke to pay for online. Now with dedicated servers and all the very real costs associated with the online portions of games, paying for it is logical.

Nintendo's strong point is local multiplayer anyway, they hardly need online.

The fundamental flaw in your argument is that you say they are making pay for something you already pay for. Thats not accurate and i wont be getting ps+ so not like im supporting it by pointing out your mistake

Nowadays, this is not so bad. I mean Sony did it, so it must be ok. On another note, do the developers receive the whole infrastructure? Do they have to pay a fee for it? Do they have to implement something? Just asking.

When Mario Kart 8 and SSB come out i think that will change.  I have no doubt they are working on making those the go to multiplayer experiences on the Wii U.

The occasional online game will still be free of charge though.

I certainly don't like the idea of adding another bill, but I don't look at it the way you do. Microsoft and Sony are not charging us to use the internet, they are charging us for services they provide. Whether it be servers, free games, or just for us to foot the bill for the infrastructure already in place, it's still not simply a case of them recharging us for something we already pay for.

I wish the online multiplayer remained free with Sony's next gen system, but with all the money that company is losing, especially on all the infrastructure it is putting in place just to catch up with Live, I can see why they've changed their ways. Gaikai, social media, free games and all the other goodies aren't free to them and don't magically appear out of thin air so I can see these companies looking to every consumer that benefits from the system's online capabilities to pay even if they don't/won't use all the services available. Sad but still not the same thing as them recharging us to use our internet lines.

We've been spoiled too long, but now that the services are becoming way more robust and unified, I'm not surprised we're getting charged. At least we can expect better/more reliable experiences out of it.

It's a shame, it feels like we're moving backwards.

Luckily, Microsoft and Sony in particular are doing a good job of justifying the fee. Online play should still have remained separate and free for casual gamers though.