Shouldn't we have the right to die in certain circumstances? | |||
| yes | 68 | 77.27% | |
| no | 5 | 5.68% | |
| depends on what is wrong with them | 10 | 11.36% | |
| don't know | 5 | 5.68% | |
| Total: | 88 | ||
| Boutros said: Is this a stealth Square Enix thread? |
Boutros made a funny!
OT: I feel as though the only right answer would be yes. If someone makes the sane decision to not be on life support anymore, it's their right. They call the shots on their life, it shouldn't be regulated by others.
| TheLastStarFighter said: I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of someone in pain or suffering wanting to die in and of itself. Unfortunately like everything else nothing exists in a vacuum. If you allow assisted suicide to be practiced, you can create a culture that anyone who is sick or dependent should end their life because that's what others do. You may have elderly or sickly people being pressured by their family to end their life. I see it all the time with family members pressuring their elders into care homes and then taking their property and/or pension. My stance on issues such as this is that all human life is sacred, from conception to death, and that it shouldn't be ended pre-maturely. I know it's not perfect and I know I may/would think differently in certain situations, but it's the most consistent and morally sound opinion I can come up with. I am OK with pulling the plug on someone on life support, just not killing them if they would not die otherwise. |
You raise a good point. Aside from the "sacred" and "moral" issues, that I definitely do not agree with, I could see the culture you're describing actually happening. I mean, already if someone wants to take their life peacefully, they can. It's called an overdose on sleeping pills. I feel that this more taboo approach to the subject is actually the better one.
Yes, if a person is beyond saving there is no reason to keep him alive against his will.
In fact, it is disrespectful to do so.
| TheLastStarFighter said: I don't think there is anything wrong with the idea of someone in pain or suffering wanting to die in and of itself. Unfortunately like everything else nothing exists in a vacuum. If you allow assisted suicide to be practiced, you can create a culture that anyone who is sick or dependent should end their life because that's what others do. You may have elderly or sickly people being pressured by their family to end their life. I see it all the time with family members pressuring their elders into care homes and then taking their property and/or pension. My stance on issues such as this is that all human life is sacred, from conception to death, and that it shouldn't be ended pre-maturely. I know it's not perfect and I know I may/would think differently in certain situations, but it's the most consistent and morally sound opinion I can come up with. I am OK with pulling the plug on someone on life support, just not killing them if they would not die otherwise. |
Your point is a good one. Your moral stance, however, I strongly disagree with. I have the same stance, to an extent, but I would not deny someone's right to choose whether to live or die. It's none of my business what a person does with his/her life, I have no say in it. I don't see why you should have, either.
Zkuq said:
Your point is a good one. Your moral stance, however, I strongly disagree with. I have the same stance, to an extent, but I would not deny someone's right to choose whether to live or die. It's none of my business what a person does with his/her life, I have no say in it. I don't see why you should have, either. |
If someone is physically well but mentally sick and wanting to kill themselves, would you not take any and all steps to save them? As humans, I believe it is our responsibility to do so. I see no ethical difference in physical illness. At the same time I see the moral strength in allowing someone to kill themselves if they are in pain or suffering, I just feel it is morally inconsistant, which is something I strive for, and as such my stance is against euthanasia. I could be convinced otherwise - I have heard the passionate story of a woman who's husband suffered for years - but have yet to hear an agrument that allows me fully say euthanasia is "right" and should be legal.
TheLastStarFighter said:
If someone is physically well but mentally sick and wanting to kill themselves, would you not take any and all steps to save them? As humans, I believe it is our responsibility to do so. I see no ethical difference in physical illness. At the same time I see the moral strength in allowing someone to kill themselves if they are in pain or suffering, I just feel it is morally inconsistant, which is something I strive for, and as such my stance is against euthanasia. I could be convinced otherwise - I have heard the passionate story of a woman who's husband suffered for years - but have yet to hear an agrument that allows me fully say euthanasia is "right" and should be legal. |
If the circumstances are clear, everyone should have the right to die. I wouldn't grant the right to freely die to just any lunatic but at the very least, if the suffering can't be cured, the person should have the right to die - no matter what kind the illness is. It just requires that the person understands what's going on in all ways. As far as I'm concerned, euthanasia is just aided suicide and anyone can commit suicide. Well, in practice, I'd guess most of the people wanting euthasia can't actually commit suicide themselves but would if they could. I just hope it's clear to you that euthanasia and murder aren't the same thing, morally or otherwise.
well I can say that if I ever become a vegetable, I want someone to kill me and would be pissed if it wasnt allowed theres just no point in living if you cannot function
the2real4mafol said:
How has this got anything to do with Square? |
Shhhhh, it's time to let go. Square Enix wasn't really living, anyway. Shhhhhh...
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Zkuq said:
If the circumstances are clear, everyone should have the right to die. I wouldn't grant the right to freely die to just any lunatic but at the very least, if the suffering can't be cured, the person should have the right to die - no matter what kind the illness is. It just requires that the person understands what's going on in all ways. As far as I'm concerned, euthanasia is just aided suicide and anyone can commit suicide. Well, in practice, I'd guess most of the people wanting euthasia can't actually commit suicide themselves but would if they could. I just hope it's clear to you that euthanasia and murder aren't the same thing, morally or otherwise. |
Of course I know that murder and euthanasia are different things. I hope that you understand that a person requesting to be killed is a compex issue, and that as a society we assist someone to prevent suicide if they are mentally ill but we are conisidering assisting them in suicide if they are physically ill, and this would be a mixed message.
TheLastStarFighter said:
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Who says it has to be that way? I just implicated that no matter the kind of the illness, physical or mental, they should get help to die if there's no reasonable chance of recovery and if the illness is causing enough suffering. I believe this solves that mixed message problem of yours, no?
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