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nuckles87 said:
There are some very big reasons to sell physical games when the internet exists: retail games are huge downloads and are only going to get bigger, which is going to require even more hard drive space then what current consoles are offering. I mean, we are talking about massive games upwards of 20 to as much as 50 gigs for some of these retail titles. PS3 already has games of this size. Uncharted 3 is so massive I couldn't even fit it on my hard drive along with the other PS3 games I wanted to download, and I have a 160 gig drive! Now imagine a console generation where blu ray is the standard across all gaming platforms and games the size of Uncharted 3 become the norm....even that 500 gig hard drive the One is sporting is going to start to look tiny.

And then there is the simple fact that many people don't even have the download speed for these games! Why is it that so many of these industry proffesionals live in a bubble where all of their customers have access to high speed internet?


This really is not something people can use to justify physical media.  Back in the day when people were download GB from torrent sites, and it took a day for the download to happen, millions of people still did it.  The only thing diffrerent here is that if your net speed is slow you will make a purchase and have it the next day.  Its not like people purchase a bunch of games at once.  Also on another tip for preorders just like steam, the games can be preloaded so you have it on release day.



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Digital Distribution:

+Your games will never disappear, you will always have the ability to repossess them in the event of a disaster
+You can get games from your house if you didn't want to go to the store.
+You can save space in your house.
+You can access any of your games at a touch of a button, without having to switch discs.
+You are not using any physical resources so you are helping the environment's trash problem.

Physical Media:

+You own the games physically and therefore you can sell them easily when you're done with them.
+You don't have to wait hours for downloading to play, especially for large games.
+You are not limited by your bandwidth.
+You have less DRM to worry about, of course, considering if the platform doesn't go online only.
+You don't have to go through the trouble of buying external HDDs or other peripherals.
+You don't have to potentially uninstall other things on your computer in the event that you have too many games.
+You can buy games cheaper as they get older, unlike in DD where many if not most games stay at the same price.


Well it's obvious, anyone who says digital distribution is the wave of the future has not considered the limitations of that platform. Not everyone has internet (really, trust me) and not everyone has fast internet (obviously), and not everyone has unlimited bandwidth (yeah, to all you people who do, good on you).

I'm an advocate of both. I like to buy off Steam for smaller things such as expansion packs or games that are less than 2GB. But for a game like Total War, forget it. It would take me half a day of constant downloading to get it, plus patching.

Basically, you can't get rid of physical media until:

1. Internet speeds EVERYWHERE are fast enough, and there are no limitations in bandwidth (not in the next 50 years probably).
2. Online storage EVERYWHERE is unlimited and can be accessed 24/7 (not in the next 10 years probably).
3. Game companies learn a code of ethics where they lower prices on digital titles since they are obviously cheaper to produce (never, probably, especially for EA. Did you know that to buy Mass Effect 2 DLC still costs the same on Origin now as it did years ago? And did you know that SimCity on Origin at launch cost I believe $5 more than from a store? I'm not even sure now if they've lowered the price. Everything is more expensive in Origin. EA can go to hell.).

Therefore, physical media will never go away, or at least it won't go away for another few decades. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional, biased, or simply idiotic, including this so-called developer in the thread start.



bugrimmar said:

Digital Distribution:

+Your games will never disappear, you will always have the ability to repossess them in the event of a disaster
+You can get games from your house if you didn't want to go to the store.
+You can save space in your house.
+You can access any of your games at a touch of a button, without having to switch discs.
+You are not using any physical resources so you are helping the environment's trash problem.

Physical Media:

+You own the games physically and therefore you can sell them easily when you're done with them.
+You don't have to wait hours for downloading to play, especially for large games.
+You are not limited by your bandwidth.
+You have less DRM to worry about, of course, considering if the platform doesn't go online only.
+You don't have to go through the trouble of buying external HDDs or other peripherals.
+You don't have to potentially uninstall other things on your computer in the event that you have too many games.
+You can buy games cheaper as they get older, unlike in DD where many if not most games stay at the same price.


Well it's obvious, anyone who says digital distribution is the wave of the future has not considered the limitations of that platform. Not everyone has internet (really, trust me) and not everyone has fast internet (obviously), and not everyone has unlimited bandwidth (yeah, to all you people who do, good on you).

I'm an advocate of both. I like to buy off Steam for smaller things such as expansion packs or games that are less than 2GB. But for a game like Total War, forget it. It would take me half a day of constant downloading to get it, plus patching.

Basically, you can't get rid of physical media until:

1. Internet speeds EVERYWHERE are fast enough, and there are no limitations in bandwidth (not in the next 50 years probably).
2. Online storage EVERYWHERE is unlimited and can be accessed 24/7 (not in the next 10 years probably).
3. Game companies learn a code of ethics where they lower prices on digital titles since they are obviously cheaper to produce (never, probably, especially for EA. Did you know that to buy Mass Effect 2 DLC still costs the same on Origin now as it did years ago? And did you know that SimCity on Origin at launch cost I believe $5 more than from a store? I'm not even sure now if they've lowered the price. Everything is more expensive in Origin. EA can go to hell.).

Therefore, physical media will never go away, or at least it won't go away for another few decades. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional, biased, or simply idiotic, including this so-called developer in the thread start.

Legally, in the USA at least, a physical copy of a video game is a physical license to access the content on the disc. This is known as the shrink wrap license. This and EULAS have never been taken to the US Supreme Court. For good reason. The video game industry...Excuse me, the Interactive Entertainment Industry would lose and lose so hard to the point where physical copies would exist until 2050. This I believe. Feel free to disagree, but I know the average age of the US Supreme Court and the very fact that the issue of EULAs and shrink wrap licenses have not gone to the point of a US Supreme Court opinion speaks volumes.

Now I know that is not a USA gaming forum, yet I live in the USA and what happens in the USA affects me. Call it selfish, but I believe in the system to correct these technocrat gaming developers who believe that they can code "ownership" out of existence.

I agree with both. I own both physical and digital games. As for the United States, It will be another 3 decades until we have the same  universal, Internet access regardless of whether you are in the Black Hills of South Dakota or San Francisco, CA. The USA is backward like that. Until then, expect physical copies to exist as the standard.



Machiavellian said:
nuckles87 said:
There are some very big reasons to sell physical games when the internet exists: retail games are huge downloads and are only going to get bigger, which is going to require even more hard drive space then what current consoles are offering. I mean, we are talking about massive games upwards of 20 to as much as 50 gigs for some of these retail titles. PS3 already has games of this size. Uncharted 3 is so massive I couldn't even fit it on my hard drive along with the other PS3 games I wanted to download, and I have a 160 gig drive! Now imagine a console generation where blu ray is the standard across all gaming platforms and games the size of Uncharted 3 become the norm....even that 500 gig hard drive the One is sporting is going to start to look tiny.

And then there is the simple fact that many people don't even have the download speed for these games! Why is it that so many of these industry proffesionals live in a bubble where all of their customers have access to high speed internet?


This really is not something people can use to justify physical media.  Back in the day when people were download GB from torrent sites, and it took a day for the download to happen, millions of people still did it.  The only thing diffrerent here is that if your net speed is slow you will make a purchase and have it the next day.  Its not like people purchase a bunch of games at once.  Also on another tip for preorders just like steam, the games can be preloaded so you have it on release day.

Its extremely inconvenient for me to digitally download, and I buy three games a month on average physically during a healthy gaming season. You're really not thinking about the vast gaming community. I am lucky to have cable internet, but I share it between people in my house and it gets caught up, but theres people in America or around the world with DSL or worse, dial up or nothing at all. They need physical copies so they can just save to the HDD and get to the gaming. Those without the internet need to have the local multiplayer (Military, rural, second and third world). Until those things are remedied you cannot deny the majority.

You also have the issue of ownership and collecting, which publishers have actually invested into to satisfy the most hardcore of gamers who like collectibles (which mind you are in limited supply). When everything goes digital, that market is forced out. Only at cons and first party can you buy collectible decor for the house of your favorite characters and games complete with the titles themselves. That and the collectibles themselves without the bundles are at hiked up prices, generally speaking.Collectors have the choice to save them and sell them off for much more if they are a big title in mint condition. Plenty of people are doing that today. Its much more expensive to buy first party. The collectibles also save you money.



Even Sony knows that download is the future, just look at the PS4 interface demo.



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Stinky said:
Even Sony knows that download is the future, just look at the PS4 interface demo.


Everyone knows it is, but that future is already standard on a PC. Console people are not yet ready for such an experience which pales the point of having a console.



Machiavellian said:
Munkeh111 said:
anamme said:
Good article, but I don't really understand what this guy is trying to say in regards to Xbox One shipping without a disk drive. Wouldn't people just download these 30-40GB games on their computers instead, where infrastructure such as Steam already exists? Who would buy a $500 motion control TV remote, which is what the Xbox One would be reduced to in his scenario...

I guess he'd prefer if the console industry died out and soon, just in time for the release of his own mobile game.

Precisely, this is a man speaking in a very biased way as he seeks to justify his exit from the traditional boxed game market

Even with Steam on PC, there are still physical games, but they do rely on an activation code, giving you the best of both worlds. They do, however, avoid the massive downloads that are still problematic. They probably won't be an issue in 2-3 years in most places, but they are for 90% of people now and will still be an issue for a good percentage of people throughout this whole generation

Do people actually buy box copies of games on steam anymore.  I am probably one of the few people who do not even have steam setup on my PC but I cannot remember a time any of my friends have actually bought a PC game from the store.  Hell, Even I purchase Diablo and Starcraft from Blizzard.  I will say that he is right that physical disk based games are going away wherther people like it or not.  The timing and how long is the key.  What would make this happen is when you see, Console games selling cheaper online then retail.

Once that happens then it means that Sony and MS is not afraid to piss off their retail agreements and gamers will embrace this change like it was the second coming just like they do with steam today.

I do wherever I can and clearly others do or else they wouldn't bother making them. I do agree, it probably won't last



Don't know what he is smoking. But if he want us to go digital, make the IP's give us faster internet cheaper and make MS/ Nintendo/ Sony give us 5TB hard drives with our consoles at least but until then he will have to suck it. I still don't understand the industry's problem with physical and pre-owned media, something most industries just embrace. It took me an hour to download Payday:the heist which is 3gb, so he would really expect me to download a massive game like Uncharted 3? Fuck that! Physical is still quicker and easier to me and will remain soon for a long time. Best to ignore fools like this. I'll possibly stick to older consoles when the first digital only consoles come out, the range of games for the physical generation of gaming is wide and incredible. Also, mobile gaming sucks that is just a fact.



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I think that the "PSP go" was a great experience about how a digital only device is actually wanted by gamers all over the world. It absolutely bombed.

What is the actual benefit of a digital download?
+I can probably find older games that are not longer in stock at my local retailer online.
+There are "small games" like "the cave", "Monkey Island Special Edition" or the new "Duck Tales" that are fitting for digital download and probably would not have been made only for a retail version otherwise.

That is it. I can simply see no other benefit. I live only 5 minutes away from the next game store, and even if I would live in a very rural area I could buy games via online stores and let them sent to my house via postal service. So "availabilty" is not really an argument for me... And I hope that I will never see the day that I get so lazy that I am not willing to walk for a few minutes to go the next store... or the day where I feel that I have missed something because I couldn't play a game on the very first day available.

What are the things I lose through digital dustribution?
--- I can't borrow the game to my brother (this one is a huge dealbreaker. I can borrow a DVD, a Book, a car, a pot, my laptop...... I can borrow almost anything to him. Why should games be excepted? What will be the next step? Do I have to registrate my face and my fingerprints so that only I can use my laptop/game/console? Do I have to pay for every person watching a movie that I rent?)
-- Price
- Data Size. It would be very inconvenient to manage my HDD space. After a few months I will have to delete games and later reinstall them if i want to play again.
--- Server Shutdown (If you have bought a game like Buzz Quiz TV, White Knight Chronicles 2, Ghostbusters, etc.. you will consider this argument more thoughtful).









--- The digital version is often more expensive than a retail copy.




the2real4mafol said:
Don't know what he is smoking. But if he want us to go digital, make the IP's give us faster internet cheaper and make MS/ Nintendo/ Sony give us 5TB hard drives with our consoles at least but until then he will have to suck it. I still don't understand the industry's problem with physical and pre-owned media, something most industries just embrace. It took me an hour to download Payday:the heist which is 3gb, so he would really expect me to download a massive game like Uncharted 3? Fuck that! Physical is still quicker and easier to me and will remain soon for a long time. Best to ignore fools like this. I'll possibly stick to older consoles when the first digital only consoles come out, the range of games for the physical generation of gaming is wide and incredible. Also, mobile gaming sucks that is just a fact.

LOL One part of my Uncharted 3 download was 12 GB. If we were forced to go full digital, thats just f'n crazy.