You've missed my point though. These are consoles which people HAVE to buy at some point if they want to experience the future of gaming (FFXV, Witcher, Devision, Battlefield, Mirrors edge 2, Mass Effect, New Ips and obviously exclusives: Halo,  infamous, the order, naughty dogs title etc). Becuase informed gamers know these systems are garunteed a bright future there is less need for incentive at launch although their is still plenty of benefits if you do make the dip (exclusives :more then current gen+ superior versions of 3rd party titles+better services /OS/unique console features. They are not paying $460 for a game they can buy for $60, they are payin $400 for the future of games. Also lets not pretend that PS4/Xbox1 do not have better exclusives at  launch then their predecessors or the Wii U did in the same period.  Already they are in a better position.

And of course gamers who are more tight with their wallets may wait, but that has ALWAYS been the case. This is why systems sell their most in the 3rd/4th year when developers have completely abondoned the last gen consoles, and the new consoles are normally $100/$150 cheaper then they were at launch. Neither the Xbox 1, nor the PS4 need that audience in order to have a very successfull year 1. 

As for GTA, it comes out in september, the majority of people who wait till the holiday to buy it probably not the demographic who buy consoles at launch anyway. 

Yes garunteed support. Why are people suddenly acting aloof to things which are very much evident?

We already have titles which are due for launch in  2014/015, we already have confirmation that a ton of next gen games are in development for years to come.  Between the 2 systems, if one recieves 3rd party support, so does the other. If they do not have garunteed support, then you are suggesting a complete collapse of the video game industry, which I think is unlikely.

let us not forget that sony are joining microsoft in basically full subs next gen for their media hubs which will probably help nintendo but also digi payments will greatly increase next gen if the gaming companies get it right

I have a question for you.  Is that what you want to happen?   Would you be happier if the PS4 and Xbox One both posted record-low sales numbers?

If that did happen, it wouldn't "Prove that Nintendo wasn't wrong."   It would prove the people saying "Console are dead" are right!   Their would be a mass exodus to PC and Android/iOS gaming.  Is that what you want?

I'm most worried about how long games will be available for 360/one/ps3/ps4/wii u/pc

The longer the ps3/360 stay on that list, the slower the one/ps4 will sell after initial fanboys gobble up all the systems.

@Captain_Tom

Stating that it COULD happen doesnt mean with Will or that i want it too.

That is really possible. If you notice trends. Launches for new systems have been getting worse for 8th gen consoles
3DS>Vita>Wii U
Trend is going down. It is really possible for the PS4 and Xbox (3!) to do worse. The economy is getting worse not better. The price is insane. Who wants to buy a 8th gen console when most of their games can be played on 7th gen consoles?

My prediction they will launch worse. If they don't then it will have worse legs. PS4 and Xbox 3 remind me of PSP and Vita in Japan honestly

I'm just going to tag this thread to have a good laugh from it in a year. These systems are going to sell very well and possibly sell in 4-5 months what Wii-U will have sold in it's first year. People have been waiting for several years now for these devices to arrive and Wii-U is no comparison because for these consumers that device is not even a option(aside of maybe buying it as an extra in the long run).

To sum it up really simple: A lot of PS360 owners are going to buy a Ps4/Xbox One, Most of the current Wii owners are not going to buy a Wii-U(because they bought it for the motion controls). If Wii didn't have motion controls it would have sold like the Wii-U is selling now and the PS3 and X360 would still have sold the same, possibly more.

Wii-U sales are no indication of the possible succes of the PS4 or Xbox One. Saying so is like saying the next Iphone or Samsung S flagship smartphone is going to sell bad because a mid range model smartphone of a Nokia smartphone isn't doing well. It's not catering to the same market segment and it can in no way be compared in demand.

bolded 1: Even their combined 2013 sales may fall short to pass wii u sales untill now.

bolded 2: I think you mistook the words "people" and "I". speak for yourself.

See I see the that not happening very quickly at all.

Majority of the PS4/One's list of games seems to be multiplat games that are also on PS3/360.  Why would one spend $500 to improve the pixels a bit for the same game?

If they cared so much about the ultimate version for that price, they woudl already have gaming PC's.   So I see a lot staying with their current PS3/360 until the Call of Duty's and other massive appeal games are no longer being made for PS3/360.

See I HAD to get a Wii U to get a lot of new games I wanted.  I don't have to get a ps4/one, to get a lot of the games I want on those systems.  i can buy them on my Ps3 or 360.  (or PC, but lets ignore that)

Everyone is saying 3rd parties are killing Wii U.  In a way I can almost see 3rd parties helping Wii U.  Due to the lack of 3rd party and poor Wii U sales, it has caused Nintendo to up their OWN game and thus the Wii U will have a crap load of exclusive games that can only be bought on that system, even if they are only 1st party.   Meanwhile the Microsoft and Sony have great 3rd party, BUT that great 3rd party is still sticking with the ps3/360.  So all that great 3rd party might actually keep people from upgrading cause they can get the same game on a system they already own.