No, but they're saying to ignore the 160k because it's shipped. A higher number would have people taking it as sold and therefore look worse.

have you ever thought that they wouldnt ship such low numbers unless people werent buying them?

but .... but... but... WiiU already had its first christmas! 

lol i'm under no illusion that the Wii U is doing fine and dandy. But it isn't doing 160 000 in three months.

I think i am over reacting,  i have been hanging out at n4g for far too long today doing damage control - kinda transfered over here

FML I'm going to bed

Problem with this is that you can't offer any evidence to support your claim until games ARE being released regularly for the Wii U. Then you'd have a control and a variable -- "Look, the Wii U didn't sell without games, and it didn't sell with them, either."

Of course, you're wrong, and six months from now when the games have been coming at a steady rate for a while, the Wii U will be selling pretty respectably, and you know you're wrong, and that's why you're claiming that the games won't help now of all times.

Like saying, "See! I told you flowers don't bloom in the spring!" in the middle of winter. *Yawn* alright, that's nice. Moving along.

To be fair, Wii U technically did pretty well during that first christmas.

i was joking, remember how sony said not to judge the vita unless it had its first christmas?

Mario 3D World and Mario Kart will help, but I don't think they will "save" the system from being anything more than the GameCube/N64 type console.

Wii Sports was the MAIN thing about the Wii. It defined motion gaming and inspired a hundred knock offs. That's why millions and millions and millions of people flooded in. Mario games just piggybacked off that success to monster numbers, but casuals won't buy a seperate console JUST for Mario and other Nintendo franchises. If that was the case, the Wii U should be doing at least OK as it already has a major Mario game on it already.

The tablet controller idea + Nintendo Land have failed utterly in generating any interest from the casual demographic, there's just no denying it.

Nintendo fans will buy a Wii U though, the price just needs to get lower and more games need to come out, but that's not what I think. That will get Nintendo a couple of years of so-so sales, enough to push it up to 20-30 mill userbase before the usual dreaded "last 2 years" Nintendo console curse kicks in.

I think I should make a "wait for games" template post for this kind of thread but since I'd don't feel like it right now:

Wait for games.

So...they're telling us something we already knew?

Look, we all know the Wii U is selling poorly. If it's still selling poorly in October and November, be afraid, but until the titles arrive there's really not much else to say.