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Do you agree with it?

Yes 17 34.00%
 
No 33 66.00%
 
Total:50

I'll keep it short and post a short version of the argument from Wikipedia:

1. If no perfectly loving God exists, then God does not exist.
2. If a perfectly loving God exists, then there is a God who is always open to personal relationship with each human person.
3. If there is a God who is always open to personal relationship with each human person, then there no human person is ever non-resistantly unaware that God exists.
4. If a perfectly loving God exists, then no human person is ever non-resistantly unaware that God exists (from 2 and 3).
5. Some human persons are non-resistantly unaware that God exists.
6. No perfectly loving God exists (from 4 and 5).
7. God does not exist (from 1 and 6).

What do you think of this argument? Good or bad? 

I guess you could say that God doesn't have to be perfectly loving if he does exist, but I think the majority of theists believe otherwise. Everything else seems valid to me.



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I like this one better...

God creates dinosaurs.

God destroys dinosaurs.

God creates man.

Man destroys God.

Man creates dinosaurs.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

Trying to apply logic to faith does not work and I suggest you abandon thread asap.



If you do bad on Earth, God will send you to Hell to suffer, burn, and to be tortured forever and ever. But he still loves you~ :)



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You can't explain faith with logic.



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Anfebious said:
You can't explain faith with logic.


I don't think any sane human would ever admit that the most important component of their beliefs is based on absolutely no logic.



Jay520 said:
Anfebious said:
You can't explain faith with logic.


I don't think any sane human would ever admit that the most important component of their beliefs is based on absolutely no logic.


I said you can't explian faith with logic, I didn't say it has no logic to it.



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I think this is one of the best arguments: If God is perfect, then how are the law of physics imperfect? Examples: development of diseases like cancer and autoimmune diseases, evolution of pathogens and getting resistant to antibiotics, disasters that are occurring in nature. Those kind of things occur because of 'flaws' or mechanisms that are compromised by another law that are made up by God. When he made them, he knew these kind of things would happen. Since he's perfect, he should've taken the time to come up with a perfect universe. Now this all sounds like bullcrap because it takes law of physics to CREATE something. Also, if God is HAPPY, or ANGRY with you (like many religious people told me because I'm a non-believer), then he's dependent of his own laws which means he's not perfect or the creator of ALL. Simple put: God doesn't exist.



Anfebious said:

I said you can't explian faith with logic, I didn't say it has no logic to it.


If faith has logic to it, then that logic should be able to be explained with logic. 

Or I could just change my post to: 

I don't think any sane human would ever admit that the most important component of their beliefs can't be explained by logic.



Not sure about this....