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The Fury said:
HikenNoAce said:

Dude, people aren't happy with the movie because it was bad. Besides the fact that that character had nothing to do with Superman, there were pacing issues and plot issues. Why was Lois Lane on the spaceship? Why was the Jor-El ghost omniscient? How did the other Kryptonians become so strong so quickly when it took Clark years of being exposed to the yellow sun? Why was Zod trying to turn Earth into Krypton? And why the hell were they constantly going back to the Daily Planet staff during the climax?

I didn't like it that much, you have to look past  somethings and just enjoy it for the action film it is. Lois Lane was on the ship as collateral. Jor-El on the ship was equivilent to advanced AI which had access to the ships systems, including security cameras (question should be where he disappeared to after Superman left the ship).

Yeah the other bits though, no idea. Add, why did the teraforming machine know Superman was attacking it and know it was under threat.... heck why did it even have defence mechanisms?

No movie is perfect but some should just be enjoyed.


It is hard for me to completely switch off my brain though. If something stupid is happening on screen, that will bother you, right?

Lois was on the ship as collateral for what? Why did they need collateral? She was just on the spaceship because otherwise she wouldn't appear in the movie in the second half.

Advanced AI can see the future too now? Like when she told Lois to move her head to the right?

And even if we manage somehow to look past the plot holes and get over the slow pace of the first, I, personally, got bored of watching the same action sequence for the last quarter of the movie. How many times can we get excited looking at a guy getting punched through a building?

Someone should post that review that highlights everything that was wrong with the movie. It's a youtube video with 3 guys doing a sketch first.



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It's a movie people get over it. I mean it's such a nitpick,it get's on my nerves. hahahaha.



attaboy said:
One thing people also don't seem to notice: See The Incredibles, X-Men, Watchmen, Civil War, Infinite Crisis, The Dark Knight Returns, etc? Many writers are doing this thing where the public just doesn't trust superheroes. They are more harm than good. In the comics, Superman has dealt with this many times. In the Justice League cartoon, they've hinted at this. When confronted with the possibility of godlike beings walking amongst us, we turn on them. I think that this is where they are going to take Superman in the movies and I think it's about time.

I understand your point but bad examples, X-men is meant to be about similarities to racism, Watchmen was writen 30 years ago so hardly 'writers doing this thing', and Civil War was a mess of a thought out plot (worse event have occured since New Warriors 'mistake' caused by a villain.

I can't see that kind of thing happing in a Superman film however, he is after all DCs star character, goto guy, the all american hero. You can't have people distrusting the all american hero. Which is why most people sided with Cap in Civil War and we all still think he's right, no matter what crappy ending Whedon came up with.



Hmm, pie.

HikenNoAce said:

Advanced AI can see the future too now? Like when she told Lois to move her head to the right?

Someone should post that review that highlights everything that was wrong with the movie. It's a youtube video with 3 guys doing a sketch first.

Forgot about that bit, was just thinking the bit where she is going through the corridors of the ship. Yeah, that was a bit weird.

Also, How It Should Have Ended does that too, kinda.



Hmm, pie.

I think the Jor-El ship thingy was just an AI based on Jor-El's personality. That's why it was able to "think".



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The Fury said:
attaboy said:
One thing people also don't seem to notice: See The Incredibles, X-Men, Watchmen, Civil War, Infinite Crisis, The Dark Knight Returns, etc? Many writers are doing this thing where the public just doesn't trust superheroes. They are more harm than good. In the comics, Superman has dealt with this many times. In the Justice League cartoon, they've hinted at this. When confronted with the possibility of godlike beings walking amongst us, we turn on them. I think that this is where they are going to take Superman in the movies and I think it's about time.

I understand your point but bad examples, X-men is meant to be about similarities to racism, Watchmen was writen 30 years ago so hardly 'writers doing this thing', and Civil War was a mess of a thought out plot (worse event have occured since New Warriors 'mistake' caused by a villain.

I can't see that kind of thing happing in a Superman film however, he is after all DCs star character, goto guy, the all american hero. You can't have people distrusting the all american hero. Which is why most people sided with Cap in Civil War and we all still think he's right, no matter what crappy ending Whedon came up with.


Not trusting Superman is what Lex Luthor is all about.  He's got the fuel to turn people against Superman, now. They can properly introduce him, now.  He couldn't go toe to toe with Supes on a physical level.  He's gotta take him on in the battlefield of public opinion.  And DC turns the public against Superman all of the time--even in cartoons.  It's no biggie.  Check out Superman/Batman: Public Enemies.  You CAN have people distrustin the all American hero.  It's a better plot than "Menace attacks but Superman defeats it because he's so powerful".

 

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HikenNoAce said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
MoS was actually a good REBOOT for Superman....it set the stage for them to do more with it. I personally liked how Lois found out who he was right away, that gets that out of the way for another movie. I like how they forced Superman into a corner and gave him no choice but to fight. The script was a good set up/start for things to come.

I am a Superman fan and thought the movie was good. People are upset because it is not the Superman they wanted but it is BY FAR the best Superman movie to date....in my opinion.


Dude, people aren't happy with the movie because it was bad. Besides the fact that that character had nothing to do with Superman, there were pacing issues and plot issues. Why was Lois Lane on the spaceship? Why was the Jor-El ghost omniscient? How did the other Kryptonians become so strong so quickly when it took Clark years of being exposed to the yellow sun? Why was Zod trying to turn Earth into Krypton? And why the hell were they constantly going back to the Daily Planet staff during the climax?

 

No Man! You didn't liked the film because you didn't understood it. This reboot is a complete success, no more no less! The vast majority of people that doesn't like the new direction took in MoS, it's because they was looking for a simple remake of the first film. It doesn't make sense, and it's clear that Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan took the good way by trying to explain what Superman means today, 30 years after the first film and 75 years after the Comics itself! In MoS, the story relate how Superman begin Superman not what Superman finaly is. We face a Kal-el looking for his roots and his place is "our" world. This period of his life is completly absent from the first films, and knowing that, it was totally impossible to expect seeing the same kind of film!

So, they did a very good job and took many risk by trying to modernise the Superman's myth! The result isn't perfect, perfection isn't from this world. Now, to explain what people should have understood after their watch of MoS. This film is about the creation of Superman, and the only moment when the Superman is clearly revealed to the world is when he enters the elevator of the Daily Planet, checking his cravat and putting his glasses = Superman is accomplished when his Clark Kent journalist identity is revealed! This is what Zack Snyder and Christopher Nolan wanted to tell us in their famous reboot!!

To quickly respond your "questions" :

1. Why was Lois Lane is the space ship ? She was following Kal-El and trying to discover what was hidden under the ice. Really need to explain that?? Or maybe you doesn't speak about this ship? Can you add more informations in your questions ??

2. Why was the Jor-El ghost omniscient ? It was not Jorel but his mind stored in the Sup's key considered as the codec during the first part of the film. From their very advanced sciences, we could expect that Kryptonian was able to store their own mind in a computer or a specifics storage. It's Science Fiction, dude...

3. How did the other Kryptonians become so strong so quickly when it took Clark years of being exposed to the yellow sun? The others Kryptonians aren't strong as Superman is. Remember that Sups manage to fight Faora and her bodyguard at the same time in Smallville... Only Zod in the very last part of their fight start to equal him. Kal-El grew on earth and we can imagine that it's more difficult for a baby and a teenager to master his limitless powers. Also, the others kryptonians are enginered, specificaly created and optimized for a function. We can accept that it's easiest for this Kryptonian's war fighters to master their physical skills. It's also explained by Zod himself in the last part of his fight with Superman. Don't you have spotted it ?

4. Why was Zod trying to turn Earth into Krypton? Like I said just before, Zod is the result of an biological enginering. He's "built" to protect the Kryptonian people and civilization. So, he's pushed by his own nature to find the codec and recreate the Kryptonian civilization even if it include to destroy another one. Also well explained by Zod himself when he speak to Kal-El in his "Kryptionian stase".

5. And why the hell were they constantly going back to the Daily Planet staff during the climax? Even if Superman protect the Galaxy, he deeply is a part of Metropolis, so his links with this city are showed in the film through his futur best friends. So where lives Sups in Metropolis and beside who ? The answer is your question... ;)

See ya!

 

PS: Don't take care on my "bad" english. I'm trying, every days, to improve it and already knows that I have still some progress to do... ^^'



HikenNoAce said:


It is hard for me to completely switch off my brain though. If something stupid is happening on screen, that will bother you, right?

Lois was on the ship as collateral for what? Why did they need collateral? She was just on the spaceship because otherwise she wouldn't appear in the movie in the second half.

Advanced AI can see the future too now? Like when she told Lois to move her head to the right?

And even if we manage somehow to look past the plot holes and get over the slow pace of the first, I, personally, got bored of watching the same action sequence for the last quarter of the movie. How many times can we get excited looking at a guy getting punched through a building?

Someone should post that review that highlights everything that was wrong with the movie. It's a youtube video with 3 guys doing a sketch first.

Lois was on the ship because it had already been spread that she knew who Superman was. And was used as collateral in case Superman was going to try anything. Atleast that is what made sense to me.

It was not that it was advanced AI that made hims ee the future. He was INTERGRATED with the ship. So being a part of the ship he sees everything that is going on in the ship and where everyone is. So the ounch was not seen in the future the girl was throwing the punch or in motion and he told her to move her head.

As for the action sequences yeah they did get a little repetitive and went on for a LONG time. So I will give you that much, but evenw itht hose things for a Superman reboot it was not a bad movie at all. People are just nitpicking, which can be done with ANY and every movie and then I guess every movie is bad...for what it was and how they brought Superman back to the big screen they did a very good job.



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Oh and it didn't take Superman years to get his powers. He had them since he was a little boy. he just never used them because he is father told him not to...just had to point that out.



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I would argue that in this film, he's not actually Superman... yet.

This film felt to me like this character wasn't Superman, but Kal-El. That means he's still starting out, eventually when we got further down the line he will become the fully formed Man of Steel. At the moment he's still just a rookie.

A bit like Batman in Batman Begins. He becomes the fully formed Dark Knight when he faces his greatest adversary; in the first film he's sort of just graduated.