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Is the Wii U a failure in concept or execution?

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So?

Concept 75 11.92%
 
Execution 199 31.64%
 
Both 187 29.73%
 
Neither 167 26.55%
 
Total:628
NoirSon said:
darkknightkryta said:
Quite the causality problem. Is their concept so bad they've failed to utilize their controller in great lengths in many of their games or is their execution so poor that they've failed to utilize their controller? I'm going to go with concept, Translating iOS/Android touch based games/concepts to consoles is far more difficult than I think even Nintendo anticipated. The stylist translated well enough though =/.


Don't get why people see touch pad and automatically think Nintendo was aiming toward replicating iOS/Android gaming? Nintendo doesn't and hasn't even tried doing that with the Wii U GamePad. They have tried it with more then a few of their eShop titles on the 3DS but the Wii U, Nintendo's main focus in regards to the GamePad (I would argue to their detriment) has been accessing the Miiverse and playing the games on it.

They have WAY too many games that play without it for anyone to say that touch based games/concepts were Nintendo's primary goal with the device.

Then why make the pad?  For asynchronous gameplay that hasn't panned out?  Their major titles are coming out later this year and early next, none of them are innovavting that touch pad.  That's going to be going on a year and a half for the console's life, plus whatever time the console was in development.  BUT as I was typing that I remembered Nintendo's console strategy; which is their hand held strategy.  The tablet controller is the console version of the DS's second screen.  That second screen hasn't really been too useful for gaming.  Which goes back to poor concept.



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chapset said:

They tried to cash in the tablet wave that was going on between 2008-2012 but that market is slowing down so does the consumer need for similar products if tablets like the ipad and kindle fire were still selling like hot cake like they did a couple years ago i'm sure that would help the wii U sell, people might see the wii U as an alternative to those with higher quality games.

I was focusing on the part where you said Nintendo has had gaming droughts since the N64. I didn't see anything in your original post necessarily about the Wii U. Other than the sub 25k part.



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Execution.. they needed to get some games out at launch besides Mario... as far as concept.. I find that funny.. that people say that.. when a lot of people love the concept.. especially Sony and Microsoft.. (Seeing as to how they are going to copy it)



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1. Wii

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Predictions made by gamers concerning the current Nintendo line up of games.

Pikmen 3= Little Bump to nothing. (Got Little Bump)

Wind Waker HD= Won't sell anything (The explosion happened here and at one time 4 Wii U games was in the Amazon top 100)

Super Mario 3D World= Won't help at all looks cheap. (Currently the most sought after Wii U game and continuing the Wii U increase.)

Gamegears said:
Execution.. they needed to get some games out at launch besides Mario... as far as concept.. I find that funny.. that people say that.. when a lot of people love the concept.. especially Sony and Microsoft.. (Seeing as to how they are going to copy it)

Touch integration certainly a good concept; history, if not common sense, should say that. But the cosonle, taken as a whole, is badly conceived.



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Neither. With the upcoming line-up, the system sales are really going to pick.



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It's definitely a matter of execution to me, since the Wii U's concept is actually quite good, especially when compared to the 3DS. The 3DS is built around its 3D effect, and while it does add to a game's visuals (at least for those whose eyes aren't irritated by 3D), it's only real gameplay contribution is helping the player judge depth in 3D platformers. I would argue its increased power over the DS has been a greater contributor to it's games.

The Wii U's concept, on the other hand, has tons of potential. Asymmetric gameplay could revolutionize local multiplayer. ZombiU was a proof of concept for dual-screen console play, with Gamepad-based inventory management and putting minigames on the controller while real-time danger lurks on the TV. Thirdly, there are those who think that being able to play on just the Gamepad is worth the $300 alone. The tablet controller is actually quite a good idea.

Its failure so far has been all about execution. The poor marketing has had a huge effect with its uncertain target audience, its infamous accessory/new console confusion, and even its relative rarity. However, the main thing holding back the Wii U despite a strong concept is the same thing that has lifted the 3DS despite a weak concept: a game library making the hardware worth owning. Nintendoland made an intriguing case for asymmetric multiplayer, but it was an unproven IP and it had its own flaws. NSMBU was a solid game from a popular franchise, but it took little advantage of the Wii U's unique hardware. It needs games that are good on their own merits but also show why they need to be on the Wii U to be the best they can be. Reviews of Pikmin 3 suggest it's such a title. Hopefully the rest of Nintendo's lineup can be likewise.



darkknightkryta said:
NoirSon said:
darkknightkryta said:
Quite the causality problem. Is their concept so bad they've failed to utilize their controller in great lengths in many of their games or is their execution so poor that they've failed to utilize their controller? I'm going to go with concept, Translating iOS/Android touch based games/concepts to consoles is far more difficult than I think even Nintendo anticipated. The stylist translated well enough though =/.


Don't get why people see touch pad and automatically think Nintendo was aiming toward replicating iOS/Android gaming? Nintendo doesn't and hasn't even tried doing that with the Wii U GamePad. They have tried it with more then a few of their eShop titles on the 3DS but the Wii U, Nintendo's main focus in regards to the GamePad (I would argue to their detriment) has been accessing the Miiverse and playing the games on it.

They have WAY too many games that play without it for anyone to say that touch based games/concepts were Nintendo's primary goal with the device.

Then why make the pad?  For asynchronous gameplay that hasn't panned out?  Their major titles are coming out later this year and early next, none of them are innovavting that touch pad.  That's going to be going on a year and a half for the console's life, plus whatever time the console was in development.  BUT as I was typing that I remembered Nintendo's console strategy; which is their hand held strategy.  The tablet controller is the console version of the DS's second screen.  That second screen hasn't really been too useful for gaming.  Which goes back to poor concept.

I agree they have failed to give compelling reasons for why they have the GamePad on the system. The best thing they have had has been the ability to play games on the GamePad but that in of itself isn't enough as most would attest. 

But I disagree in it being the concept that is the problem. Going off the success of the DS and 3DS, having a second screen with touch capabilities has been shown to work, especially with certain games. The issue with the Wii U has been Nintendo hasn't released any of those types of games on the system, along with really pushed it as they and other developers did the second touch screen when the DS first came out or motion controls with the Wii. They haven't released anything like Brain Training, Nintendogs or Wii Sports to make people take notice and they failed in implementing a working multiplayer that doesn't give two or more parties equal footing because only one GamePad works on one Wii U for most multiplayer games.

The concept is fine, two screens haven't hurt the DS/3DS development in anyway once developers figured ways to implement it into their gameplay or work around it, even Microsoft (LookinGlass) and Sony (VITA intergration) are dabbling in it. The problem is execution and as you put out is that Nintendo has failed to put out software that uses the GamePad in innovative or even unique ways. Even the other new features of the Wii U (Miiverse and Nintendo TVii) that Nintendo was hyping before its release are things that can or will be accessible on their competitors systems and they didn't have them ready at launch.

The concept is fine and for the most part proven successful with other systems to different degrees, Nintendo just botched it in nearly every way when it comes to implementation and presentation to the public.



odellwwww said:
Neither. With the upcoming line-up, the system sales are really going to pick.


I agree that the upcoming games will cause a significant turnaround but there is no denying they failed to execute. They had a plan to release exclusives consistantly throughout the first half of this year and failed to do so.



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Both and then some.

Unlike the DS/3DS there are few advantages to having to look at two screens. The TV and gamepad are just too far apart for anything convenient. As a result local multiplayer is the only way to make things shine. The gamepad user however is almost always forced to stupid touch screen stuff and never as as much fun as other players. This is super similar to next gen games using tablets to call in air strikes and the like. The difference though, which is a big one, is the tablet play is designed only for gamers that are away from the system and can't play the full game.

Only thing about the Wii U gamepad that Nintendo has done flawless is off screen play. Heck my Wii U is plugged into the outlet in the closet with no TV for this very reason. However I feel what Sony is doing with the Vita is much smarter. Again it allows the feature to work away from the console but the big thing is that Vita is sold separate. Nintendo could and should have sold the gamepad separately just for remote play.



Arius Dion said:
Aquietguy said:
Arius Dion said:
Mythmaker1 said:
Concept, IMO.

Whenever a new console comes out, it is because it is addressing a specific problem or set of problems that need to be solved. The Wii-mote was the solution to a long-standing problem, accomplished in an original way. While the Gamepad has its uses, as the basis for a console, it is a solution looking for a problem. And one reason developers aren't working on it is because it doesn't solve the problems that they are having.

The execution, however, certainly didn't help.

I agree with this wholeheartedly. 

Though I also think the execution suffered as a result of the concept. I don't think they can be seperated. With the Wii, simplicity and ease of use was key. Its like Nintendo, said, 'fuck that' and decided to hodge podge all previous ideas into a blender and voila la we have Wii U. I don't think off TV play is a big enough selling point. Its a convenience for some, but a non issue for most. 

Imagine Nintendo abandoning the NES controller concept for the SNES and instead opting to go back to Atari type controllers. That's what they've done essentially. 

A step back??? By your reasonin, the competition is also using an Atari type controller with less buttons.  The pad maybe different from the wii mote but is a step ahead of the traditional controller. 

No, the competition is using the NES prototype as well. Imagine if the competition went with Joysticks this gen. Also keep this in mind, the competition copied the NES/Wii controllers, they haven't copied the Gamepad. 

I'm not sure it is a step ahead of the traditional controller. Its bulky and already outdated


If the competition is using a NES prototype, how in the world does that mean the pad is liken to an Atari controller? Wouldn't it be more like a NES prototype with a touch screen? All it is is a traditional controller with a touch screen.