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SubiyaCryolite said:
They really need to advertise the system better. I got mine last week, and when unboxing after work, practically all my workmates didn't know it was a new system. Some thought it was just a controller. My supervisor called it a WiiToo. When updating it at my mates place(he just saw the controller at first), he said it wasn't even a real console. Yet after an Hour with Tekken Tag 2, Miiverse and Rayman Legends Challenge App they were all raving and praising it *facepalm*. Basically "They knew nothing", Nintendo really needs to communicate to the mass market that this is a brand new console.

They made the same mistake with the 3DS...
For a whole year after the 3DS launch you could find reviewers on Amazon complaing that 3DS cartridges don't fight in their DS...
Now, could these people have done better research???
Sure...
Should they have to research something so basic???
Absolutely not...
They need a brand new marketing department...
Some of these upcoming games could be enormously successful, but that's not going to happen because of their current marketing tactics...



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KingdomHeartsFan said:
Mensrea said:
KingdomHeartsFan said:
Mensrea said:

A quick, lazy 3D Mario won't work on the Wii U like SM3DL worked on 3DS.
No Mario Kart this holiday season
Price cut probably not happening
Heavy competition.

I personally don't see this holiday being the turnaround that the 3DS had.


Lets not underestimate Nintendo's lineup this year, they have Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Super Luigi U, Donkey Kong Tropical Freeze, Wind Waker HD and Super 3D Mario World.  Tbh I think that's solid, and they have Mario Kart in early 2014, not holiday season.


It's definitely solid, but the 3D World is no galaxy or 64, it's not going to set the world on fire. There is also no Mario Kart.

 

Donkey Kong will be big, but it won't send systems flying. Wind Waker is a port, and W101 and P3 aren't going to sell systems.

 

I think it will be a good holiday, but it's not going to turn it around like the 3DS was.


I think Wind Waker is a complete remake, not a port, not 100% sure.  The 3D Mario I admit is kinda dissapointing, but its from the same guys that made galaxy, so it could still be amazing, or it could be average, Ill wait to see.  I think Pikmin 3 is going to sell systems, it is by far the best looking Wii U game so far, I was suprised at how good it looked when I saw it, Wonderful 101 is coming out the same week at GTA 5...so ya I think its gonna get destroyed.  Donkey Kong Country Returns sold over 6 million copies I think, I'm all but sure a sequel to a game that successful will sell a lot of systems.  Tbh I don't think its possible for them to turn it around this year like with the 3DS even if they did the price drop, just because of the PS4 and X1, but I think they should lower the price now to even be competative, a $350 Wii U vs a $400 PS4...I think the choice is obvious.

gtaV won't make anyone buy a ps360, the ones who will buy that game already have a ps360. so it won't really affect W101.



Yup. A good price and big games sell a console, and Nintendo has strong brand value. Will it work at the same level as 3DS? No way. Nintendo dominates the handheld space, where it's only one of 3 major players on home consoles. But cutting price and releasing games will definitely make people buy Wii U.

Also, 3DLand and 3DWorld are not cheap ports. They are similar in graphical design and effort to the Galaxy games. They don't look as cool because of the setting, and they are less innovative in gameplay, however they are far more accessible. With the locked camera and tighter gameplay they are a 3D Mario that can appeal to people that struggle with 3D perspectives. That's why 3D Land has sold so well.



NSMB wii sold far more than galaxy 1, galaxy 2, 64, sunshine, etc...
mario 3D world have more the appeal of NSMB wii than other 3D marios, and it would sell more.
A more complex mario would be more difficult to develop, and would take more time to develop, maybe it couldnt be brought at end of year, and would be more expensive to develop.
For selling wii Us and games, mario 3D world is the best choice.

w101 is a new IP that can please casual and hardcore.

DKC rather than metroid is also a good selling strategy, metroid sell less than DKC, take longer to develop and cost more.

A zelda remake is very easy(the game is already made) and cheap to develop. Can sell easily.

While they are learning to develop in wii U, the choices are the best at moment.
The games have good selling history, can be developed fast and cheap, and they can learn to bring good experiences in the new 3d mario a lá galaxy/64, new zelda and new metroid, which will come latter, maybe in 2015.


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Only thing that could help more is the price.
At least bundle options.
wii U with mario 3D world for 300$...



There's a lot more competition in the home console market. It will take a long time for Nintendo to turn Wii U around, if ever.



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It has already been mentioned, but the Japan factor alone means it won't be as large an impact as the 3DS.  Besides the fact that handhelds sell significantly more there, the Wii U lineup can't compete with the 3D land/Mario Kart/Monster Hunter/massive price cut that the 3DS had in 2011.

Even if the Wii U were to start following the Wii sales trajectory starting in October, it would still be far behind.  After nine quarters the 3DS has shipped 11.54 million in Japan.  If the Wii U does manage Wii sales, we'd be looking at ~5.35 million in the same time period.  Of course, that is only if the Wii U can somehow match Wii sales.  Considering it sold more in six weeks of the 2007 holiday than the Wii U has in seven months, that will probably be a tall order.



leedlelee said:

SubiyaCryolite said:
They really need to advertise the system better. I got mine last week, and when unboxing after work, practically all my workmates didn't know it was a new system. Some thought it was just a controller. My supervisor called it a WiiToo. When updating it at my mates place(he just saw the controller at first), he said it wasn't even a real console. Yet after an Hour with Tekken Tag 2, Miiverse and Rayman Legends Challenge App they were all raving and praising it *facepalm*. Basically "They knew nothing", Nintendo really needs to communicate to the mass market that this is a brand new console.

They made the same mistake with the 3DS...
For a whole year after the 3DS launch you could find reviewers on Amazon complaing that 3DS cartridges don't fight in their DS...
Now, could these people have done better research???
Sure...
Should they have to research something so basic???
Absolutely not...
They need a brand new marketing department...
Some of these upcoming games could be enormously successful, but that's not going to happen because of their current marketing tactics...

 

Completely agree, there is someone very high up at Nintendo that is making critical decisions in regards to marketing Nintendo products that should lose their job. I don't say this lightly because that isn't how I roll when it comes to other people's careers but once (the 3DS) is a mistake they repaired and this second time is worst because the Wii U doesn't have the software development time that the 3DS does nor does it have the 3rd party support and the fact is Nintendo knows there are a lot of younger gamers and gaming media that want to see Nintendo fail because they grew up with either the Playstation or Xbox brand.

It is one thing to say you learned from your mistakes, it is another thing to actually correct them and the launches of both systems are too similar to think some part of Nintendo actually did. The fact is, Nintendo is unlikely to turn things around like they did the Wii U unless the PS4 and Xbox One bomb and it will be a very slow going to rebuild to the level of where the 3DS eventually has come to.



I can all but guarantee that Wii U will rebound enough to outsell the GC. How much it sells after that will depend on the type of games they decide to release.

Everybody on here rips on 3D World and thinks it's nothing but lazy and won't do much. It's just my opinion but I think in reality, the opposite is true. 3D World will push more systems than Galaxy 3 would.



Cold-Flipper said:
I can all but guarantee that Wii U will rebound enough to outsell the GC. How much it sells after that will depend on the type of games they decide to release.

Everybody on here rips on 3D World and thinks it's nothing but lazy and won't do much. It's just my opinion but I think in reality, the opposite is true. 3D World will push more systems than Galaxy 3 would.


I definitely agree with that, and SM3DL seems to aswell. It's sold 8 million on an install base of 30 million, whereas SMG has sold 11 million on an install base of 100 million. It's pretty clear which series has a broader appeal.

Nintendo should drop the price of the Wii U now or at the very least by Holiday sales season.

The strategy used successfully for the 3ds plus the holiday sales will help the Wii U sell more units than previous, but it will not have the same impact as it did for the 3ds-

Nintendo seems to be betting big on this strategy and I do not think it will do near enough for the Wii u. The lineup of games they are betting on are similar and/or the same as games already out on the 3ds (and/or games coming out on the 3ds), so the lineup will not be nearly as fresh and exciting as it was for the 3ds.

Although Mario and Donkey Kong are the big names and big sellers, I honestly think a mix of the "old standbys" along w games like Metroid, Zelda (new Zelda) and/or other less used Nintendo franchises would have done more to build excitement-

So far Nintendo has not shown much confidence in the Wii U- so it is difficult to expect 3rd parties and potential purchasers to be confident enough to invest in the console as well

Another big problem I see is - even if the late 2013 and early 2014 Wii U sales do well enough to interest 3rd parties again- most of them seem to have scaled back or emptied their Wii U development pipelines after the holidays at least- so even if sales do well and 3rd parties get interested again- how long will it take them to get decent to good games ready for the Wii U?

Does Nintendo have enough development resources to keep feeding the Wii U software after 1st Q 2014 and before 3rd parties can get raped up again?