Who is "we" and why were you already assuming that? And how in any way is this confirmation o.O

Am i missing something here..?

I dont think either SOny or MS are taking losses with these consoles and at these prices.

On another note

I can see Microsoft making a $100 loss on this group of machines at launch.

As a games console, it was too expensive.

As a games console, blu-ray player and other things, it was worth it, probably

Anyway, given the lack of actual games that REALLY make use of Kinect, I would say this is a mistake from M$. 

As for who has the better games, it really is subjective and Sony has Naughty Dog up their sleave

if the kinect costs as much as the xb1 to make, and they are not taking a loss. Then I think it's very stupid of m$ to bundle the kinect with every xb1. Because they could easily sell the XB1 for much cheaper than the ps4. they could even match or go cheaper than the wiiU then.

^again, if this article is true. 

thanks for the souce, was a bit busy with other stuff just saw it. edited it in thanks

@Blood_Tears
No MS is dropping the price to $399 next fall. Quote me on it

I guess it all comes down to what the source meant by "almost"...

But in any case given the specs of the Xbox One i think they definitely can launch at a cheaper price than PS4, if Kinect wasnt bundled. But at the end of the day that wasnt the goal of MS. They clearly wanted to build a console entirely around Kinect and ensure that developers really start to utilise it. I don't think this was necessarily a worng decision. We will have to wait and see if it pays off.

I think Pachter was spot on with hes recent comments on Pach Attack. He said that MS is convinced in the added value of Kinect and they feel that its worth the extra investment from their side and the consumer side. But if the PS4 is outselling them in the US by a big enough margin they can easily drop Kinect and undercut the PS4.

Personally i dont see that happening. But MS really needs to start showing off Kinect...they havent done a good job of that since the reveal to be honest.

I don't believe MS is going to focus on showing off Kinect functions too much at this point. At the $499 price point hardcore gamers are looking to purchase the console. It is best to show off the AAA games and exclusives and focus on showing Kinect more when the price drops and casuals might think about jumping in. I still believe they will drop the price to $399 next fall before Halo releases.

Personally I'm not interested in Kinect games unless something mind blowing is made for it. I'm more excited for the Kinect based interface controls. Voice and motion control have me excited. Hybrid games could be very good as well if done right.

Wow,Kinect 2 is so expensive! MS would be smart to sell the Xbox One without the Kinect so they could undercut the PS4 by $200 - $250.