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sales2099 on 12 July 2013
Captain_Tom said:
sales2099 said:

BS. Cellphones and internet is the most widely used form. You tolerate it because you need the features like calling and using internet.

We need the internet and Cellphones, we don't need X1 or its NSA cam.

If news would somehow break out that Sony gave PS3 consumer data to the government....you wouldn't play Last of Us/Uncharted or whetever? No.....you'd play anyway because you want to play these games.

I am sure they are giving data.  But they didn't build a console entirely around the ability to.

Theres a few people here who genuinely are afraid of this stuff, but had the situation been reversed, you'd still play a PS3 or PS4 or whatever. This is cheap bandwagon hopping for the majority of people here.

OMG no.  I can assure you that I wasn't planning on getting a PS4 anywhere near its launch before it was announced.  But Sony said everything right, and MS said everything wrong.  If the roles reversed I would be just fine with an X1 or PC.

OMG you are trying so hard aren't you?  Responses in bold.

NSA cam? You really are laying the propaganda on thick.

All I know is that people were fine with their phones and internet being tapped, since its part of their daily lives, but this is somehow the last straw. This is being made into more then what it is, and its getting out of hand.



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sales2099 on 12 July 2013
RicardJulianti said:
sales2099 said:

Ok. Can we at least grasp that the government is on trial here, not MS? Because if the federal government demands information to any american company/subsidiary, they would have to comply. MS getting fingered out is just wrong.

But yes, that is my stance. My rights? My life is no different then when I didn't know about this. Why should I care if I have nothing to hide? I am a 100% believer in the greater good.

Theres a lot of self entitlement going on here and many people here take the country they live in, and the relative safety of their day-to-day lives, for serious granted. Keep preaching, and well see what you say if god forbid your local subway station gets blown up.


Okay....I have to ask, did you read the article? More specifically this source link? http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013/jul/11/microsoft-nsa-collaboration-user-data

Microsoft claims they only provide information when mandated by law and only regarding certain accounts and identifiers. Yet....they work with the NSA to provide them access to Outlook emails before they are encrypted. That's not a specific target, that's system-wide. The amount of Skype calls collected by the NSA tripled after Microsoft bought them.....that has nothing to do with certain accounts or identifiers. Why would it triple simply because Microsoft bought Skype? Providing the tools to circumvent encryption....in any form....does not stay specific to certain accounts. It's the equivalent of giving them a master key, but telling them they can only go through this one specific door....the chances of them not opening another door are slim.

I don't have anything to hide either, but that doesn't mean I don't have a Constitutional right to privacy. If we start ignoring the Constitution...we are fucked.

That's all well and fine rationale there, but that ultimately doesn't change my mind that theres a lot of great games that I want to play on X1.

Are PC gamers supposed to swear off PC gaming because their computers run Windows or their PC has a built in camera? All I am saying is that for us gamers, this stuff "should" take a back seat to the games we want to play.



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Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Captain_Tom said:
sales2099 said:
 

"I don't mind paying $599, as its the cheapest Bluray player on the market"

But this was true.

"My credit card data was stolen, but they improved the security measures for next time"

I think I may have gotten some spam from that debacle but they gave me 5 free games.  It still was far from ok though.

"I don't mind waiting 5.5 years for the next GT, it just means that the devs are perfectionists"

No the dev is enefficient.

"Its fine that online multiplayer has a paywall now, at least it offers a better deal then Xbox Gold"

But it does lol.  It costs less and you get free games.

Point being: people rationalize all the time when they don't want to give up something

Door swings both ways.


My reactions in bold.

You are really gonna compare 60% failure rates and a console eating some of your games to actual facts like that PS3 was the cheapest Blue Ray Player.

Some people wanted a Blue Ray player, nobody wanted their games to get destroyed.  I swear the more you talk the more ignorant and nonsensicle you look.

You missed the point entirely. For a bluray player it was fine but for a gaming console it was outrageous. But fans rationalize when they want something. Everyone does it.

1) You missed the point entirely.  My point wasn't only Xbox excuses are silly, it was the insane things I have heard people excuse that should never be excused.  The fact that you say "All people have X problems so it is ok and I accept it" only proves my point that you are in an abussive relationship.  Instead you should adress the fact that you think it is ok that your console DESTROYS SOME OF YOUR GAMES YOU PAID FOR!!!

Buying a console because it has great games and BlueRay is not insane!  Also notice how I didn't excuse the network outage?  I am willing to admit their mistakes.



Veracity on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Veracity said:
sales2099 said:
 

People seem to be dodging the general idea that I want a X1 to play X1 games. And I am not letting stuff like this impact my choice. Had the situation been reversed, somehow I don't think there would be as many haters on Sony, them being gamers first and all right?

Funny the only dodger here seems to be you as you completely ignored my post.

this isn't about your insignificant choice in video game consoles. 

You assume people wouldn't be outaged if this were about Sony. Just hilariously false assumption. 

Nice agenda you have here. 

Id appreciate an actual response to the content of this post and my previous post.

by the way, don't forget the lube.

No, this is about video games at its core, and your post is pure deflection. Smoke and mirrors.

I want a X1 for its games, and stuff like this ultimately has no impact on my decision.

My masturbation tendencies have nothing to do with this (yes I got your actual meaning, which is immature)


I asked you to respond to the content of my 2 previous posts and you didn't. That leaves two options: you are either incapable of responding or unwilling. So which is it?

i made no comment about masturbation, let alone your habits. The live was in regard to being raped by Microsoft, then again you cannot rape the willing. You seem all too eager for it.

enjoy big brother.



Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013

NSA cam? You really are laying the propaganda on thick.

All I know is that people were fine with their phones and internet being tapped, since its part of their daily lives, but this is somehow the last straw. This is being made into more then what it is, and its getting out of hand.

That's because we didn't have to PAY MORE FOR IT!!!   That's what you don't get!

 

It isn't that we only care about it this time, it is that this time they want us to pay for it.  Do you understand that now?



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sales2099 on 12 July 2013
Veracity said:
sales2099 said:

No, this is about video games at its core, and your post is pure deflection. Smoke and mirrors.

I want a X1 for its games, and stuff like this ultimately has no impact on my decision.

My masturbation tendencies have nothing to do with this (yes I got your actual meaning, which is immature)


I asked you to respond to the content of my 2 previous posts and you didn't. That leaves two options: you are either incapable of responding or unwilling. So which is it?

i made no comment about masturbation, let alone your habits. The live was in regard to being raped by Microsoft, then again you cannot rape the willing. You seem all too eager for it.

enjoy big brother.

Unwilling, because its beside the point. Its about video games and the games I want to play.

You did make a comment when you mentioned "lube". I know what you really meant by that....it was just a joke. Nm.

Enjoy big brother next time you make a phone call ;)



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Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013
sales2099 said:
Veracity said:
sales2099 said:
 

People seem to be dodging the general idea that I want a X1 to play X1 games. And I am not letting stuff like this impact my choice. Had the situation been reversed, somehow I don't think there would be as many haters on Sony, them being gamers first and all right?

Funny the only dodger here seems to be you as you completely ignored my post.

this isn't about your insignificant choice in video game consoles. 

You assume people wouldn't be outaged if this were about Sony. Just hilariously false assumption. 

Nice agenda you have here. 

Id appreciate an actual response to the content of this post and my previous post.

by the way, don't forget the lube.

No, this is about video games at its core, and your post is pure deflection. Smoke and mirrors.

I want a X1 for its games, and stuff like this ultimately has no impact on my decision.

My masturbation tendencies have nothing to do with this (yes I got your actual meaning, which is immature)

Then stop.  Just say "I want Ryse and Kinect, even if it means I have to put up with all of this BS.  You don't want these games or this BS, so you are getting PS4's."

It's really that simple.   We aren't missing the point.  One is $100 cheaper, twice as strong, and comes with a different set of games.  But 90% of the games are the same, and most of us don't want kinect.  You may fly off to another thread to defend MS.



Captain_Tom on 12 July 2013
Veracity said:
sales2099 said:
Veracity said:
sales2099 said:
 

People seem to be dodging the general idea that I want a X1 to play X1 games. And I am not letting stuff like this impact my choice. Had the situation been reversed, somehow I don't think there would be as many haters on Sony, them being gamers first and all right?

Funny the only dodger here seems to be you as you completely ignored my post.

this isn't about your insignificant choice in video game consoles. 

You assume people wouldn't be outaged if this were about Sony. Just hilariously false assumption. 

Nice agenda you have here. 

Id appreciate an actual response to the content of this post and my previous post.

by the way, don't forget the lube.

No, this is about video games at its core, and your post is pure deflection. Smoke and mirrors.

I want a X1 for its games, and stuff like this ultimately has no impact on my decision.

My masturbation tendencies have nothing to do with this (yes I got your actual meaning, which is immature)


I asked you to respond to the content of my 2 previous posts and you didn't. That leaves two options: you are either incapable of responding or unwilling. So which is it?

i made no comment about masturbation, let alone your habits. The live was in regard to being raped by Microsoft, then again you cannot rape the willing. You seem all too eager for it.

enjoy big brother.

He has no response.  There is no response so he covers his ears.



sales2099 on 12 July 2013
Captain_Tom said:

NSA cam? You really are laying the propaganda on thick.

All I know is that people were fine with their phones and internet being tapped, since its part of their daily lives, but this is somehow the last straw. This is being made into more then what it is, and its getting out of hand.

That's because we didn't have to PAY MORE FOR IT!!!   That's what you don't get!

 

It isn't that we only care about it this time, it is that this time they want us to pay for it.  Do you understand that now?

They want us to pay for it....for reasons people like you have overlooked completely.

The 360 kinect userbase was split from the rest. This made it unattractive for developers to make kinect based games or kinect add-ons to gamepad games. This provides a unified instal base for developers to integrate kinect into whatever game they see fit, because everybody has one. Thats the reason why. And yes, its also convienent to sue for voice searching the marketplace, controlling your media, or making a skype call. For MS's purposes, itll help with targeted ads based on what we play.

Seriously, that is the real reason why its included, at least those are the pros of it being included. I acknowledge your side, truly, but at least tell me you acknowledge the reasons above, whether or not you would personally want it.



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drunk on 12 July 2013

lets not forget Sony being a major player in the Movie & Music industry means they are big players within groups like RIAA & MPAA. yeah those a-holes trying to secretly pass laws and screw up our internet freedoms. every big corp. is bad in some way