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Will you support these games on Wii U?

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curtiswolf on 12 July 2013

I will support any NEW franchises from Nintendo, but i will not support the Mario's, the Donkey Kong, The Zelda's. I will except only new games coming from Nintendo.
i will also support 3rd Party Games like COD: Ghost, or BF4, and Madden. i dont know if any of these are coming to the WiiU, but it would greatly help on its sales.



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Dunban67 on 12 July 2013

which Nintendo console had the shortest life span and how long was it?

Realistically, how long would it take from today for Nintendo to get a new console to market if they decided that is what they wanted to do? I am not saying they should do so - just curious



Proxy-Pie on 12 July 2013
Dunban67 said:
which Nintendo console had the shortest life span and how long was it?

Realistically, how long would it take from today for Nintendo to get a new console to market if they decided that is what they wanted to do? I am not saying they should do so - just curious


they generally stick to one console per gen though, even the gamecube, which sold only 22 million, was there for the entirety of the 6th gen, and it's lifespan was about 5 years, which is the shortest lifespan of any Nintendo home console



flagstaad on 12 July 2013

My holiday shopping list is like this:
Watch Dogs (Wii U)
Wind Waker (Wii U)
The Wonderful 101 (Wii U)
Batman: Arkham Origins (Wii U)
Deus Ex (Wii U)

Some old titles I have missed PS3



Osc89 on 12 July 2013
MohammadBadir said:
zorg1000 said:
I plan on buying a Wii U this holiday but honestly I couldnt care less about the 3rd party multiplats. I may pick up a few down the line but im planning on getting Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101 and Wind Waker this year. I buy Nintendo consoles for exclusives, whether it be 1st or 3rd party. Many of the multiplats I will continue buying for my PS3 and in a few years PS4, with the few exceptions that have really good use of the gamepad. Instead of worrying about multiplats, I think Nintendo should focus on securing 3rd party exclusives.

there's nothing wrong with what you're doing, but it's this kind of mindset that makes 3rd party devs shy away from the Wii U


Wouldn't this be the mindset of the vast majority though? Anyone who really wants third party multiplats will already have a PS360 for them.



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zorg1000 on 12 July 2013
Osc89 said:
MohammadBadir said:
zorg1000 said:
I plan on buying a Wii U this holiday but honestly I couldnt care less about the 3rd party multiplats. I may pick up a few down the line but im planning on getting Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101 and Wind Waker this year. I buy Nintendo consoles for exclusives, whether it be 1st or 3rd party. Many of the multiplats I will continue buying for my PS3 and in a few years PS4, with the few exceptions that have really good use of the gamepad. Instead of worrying about multiplats, I think Nintendo should focus on securing 3rd party exclusives.

there's nothing wrong with what you're doing, but it's this kind of mindset that makes 3rd party devs shy away from the Wii U


Wouldn't this be the mindset of the vast majority though? Anyone who really wants third party multiplats will already have a PS360 for them.

Especially for the first few games I buy, I would never buy a console to play games available on a console I already own, thats why my first first purchases will be exclusives



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Osc89 on 12 July 2013
zorg1000 said:
Osc89 said:
MohammadBadir said:
there's nothing wrong with what you're doing, but it's this kind of mindset that makes 3rd party devs shy away from the Wii U


Wouldn't this be the mindset of the vast majority though? Anyone who really wants third party multiplats will already have a PS360 for them.

Especially for the first few games I buy, I would never buy a console to play games available on a console I already own, thats why my first first purchases will be exclusives


Which I think is pretty sensible. It is part of the problem for the Wii U, as by the time it has enough games that aren't available for the PS360 it will be competing against the PS4 and X1 as well. And they seem to be doing a better job of differentiating themselves from the PS360 as I think so far all next-gen only multiplats are skipping the Wii U.



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oniyide on 14 July 2013
zippy said:
oniyide said:
zippy said:
100 million install base, weak specs = no third party support.
Higher specs, small install base = no third party support.
Nintendo..damned if you do, damned if you dont.

OT-I will be buying Watch dogs, Arkham and maybe splinter cell for my Wii U. Gotta snap up the good third party games that are here.


wrong, Wii got alot of 3rd party support, ALOT or do you think all those games on the WIi were made by Ninty, WIi had more games than either PS3 or 360

Your right Wii did get a lot of 3rd party support, but what ratio of it was actually decent? A lot of 3rd parties released sub par efforts to cash in on its success, and games like Red Steel 2 and Goldeneye were few and far between.

Many 3rd parties used the "weak hardware" excuse to not bring certain franchises out on Wii, or even build an exclusive from the ground up to suit the hardware. I mean the sales were there, so they could have reaped the rewards. Now Ninty has the tools to create these HD experiences 3rd parties now bang on about low sales of the hardware. Nintendo cant win sometimes

"decent" is in the eye of the beholder, there were a LOT of games on Wii that I would not consider anywhere near decent, but you know what? they sold well, especially considering what they must have cost to make. So yes they did cash in on its sucess and whose fault is that? Would any of us not done the same thing, not their fault all those dancing exercise games do well, they are giving the audience exactly what they want.

What are these franchises that should have come to WIi   cause im sure they would not have been anywhere near their HD counterparts and with that being the case, no one would buy the WIi version. Would an Assassin's Creed fan buy a WIi version of that game knowing its going to be worst than what he/she is used to? nope. Hell you can look at the multiplat games for Wii and see that.



oniyide on 14 July 2013
Soundwave said:
zippy said:
oniyide said:
zippy said:
100 million install base, weak specs = no third party support.
Higher specs, small install base = no third party support.
Nintendo..damned if you do, damned if you dont.

OT-I will be buying Watch dogs, Arkham and maybe splinter cell for my Wii U. Gotta snap up the good third party games that are here.


wrong, Wii got alot of 3rd party support, ALOT or do you think all those games on the WIi were made by Ninty, WIi had more games than either PS3 or 360

Your right Wii did get a lot of 3rd party support, but what ratio of it was actually decent? A lot of 3rd parties released sub par efforts to cash in on its success, and games like Red Steel 2 and Goldeneye were few and far between.

Many 3rd parties used the "weak hardware" excuse to not bring certain franchises out on Wii, or even build an exclusive from the ground up to suit the hardware. I mean the sales were there, so they could have reaped the rewards. Now Ninty has the tools to create these HD experiences 3rd parties now bang on about low sales of the hardware. Nintendo cant win sometimes


Well I think it's kinda like a guy going on a date without his pants on, then realizing that was a bad idea, so he makes sure to wear pants on your second date, but you forget to wear a shirt on that one.

The Wii U is a new set of mistakes that Nintendo made, so it's not so much that they "can't win". Honestly I don't think Nintendo really cares to win this audience anyway, for them it's kind of a "nice to have", not a "must have", they design their hardware with philosophies tailored to their own company whims, and make a few minor concessions to the needs of third parties here or there.

For Nintendo to honestly compete for a lot of third party support, they'd have to provide hardware that's roughly equivalent to what the other companies are providing *and* then have a userbase to back that up. The GameCube got one of those right, the Wii got one of those right, but neither got both of them right.

The only third party multi-plat that honestly interests me on the Wii U is Batman and if there's no PS4/XB1 version, I'll probably get it for Wii U if I do buy it at all. I'm getting Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World, and Donkey Kong Country: TF this fall for sure.

This and in the case of GC I still hold that it got decent 3rd party support. Lot of multis that didnt run like crap and even some exclusives here and there. 



twilight_link on 14 July 2013
oniyide said:
Soundwave said:
zippy said:
oniyide said:
zippy said:
100 million install base, weak specs = no third party support.
Higher specs, small install base = no third party support.
Nintendo..damned if you do, damned if you dont.

OT-I will be buying Watch dogs, Arkham and maybe splinter cell for my Wii U. Gotta snap up the good third party games that are here.


wrong, Wii got alot of 3rd party support, ALOT or do you think all those games on the WIi were made by Ninty, WIi had more games than either PS3 or 360

Your right Wii did get a lot of 3rd party support, but what ratio of it was actually decent? A lot of 3rd parties released sub par efforts to cash in on its success, and games like Red Steel 2 and Goldeneye were few and far between.

Many 3rd parties used the "weak hardware" excuse to not bring certain franchises out on Wii, or even build an exclusive from the ground up to suit the hardware. I mean the sales were there, so they could have reaped the rewards. Now Ninty has the tools to create these HD experiences 3rd parties now bang on about low sales of the hardware. Nintendo cant win sometimes


Well I think it's kinda like a guy going on a date without his pants on, then realizing that was a bad idea, so he makes sure to wear pants on your second date, but you forget to wear a shirt on that one.

The Wii U is a new set of mistakes that Nintendo made, so it's not so much that they "can't win". Honestly I don't think Nintendo really cares to win this audience anyway, for them it's kind of a "nice to have", not a "must have", they design their hardware with philosophies tailored to their own company whims, and make a few minor concessions to the needs of third parties here or there.

For Nintendo to honestly compete for a lot of third party support, they'd have to provide hardware that's roughly equivalent to what the other companies are providing *and* then have a userbase to back that up. The GameCube got one of those right, the Wii got one of those right, but neither got both of them right.

The only third party multi-plat that honestly interests me on the Wii U is Batman and if there's no PS4/XB1 version, I'll probably get it for Wii U if I do buy it at all. I'm getting Wonderful 101, Super Mario 3D World, and Donkey Kong Country: TF this fall for sure.

This and in the case of GC I still hold that it got decent 3rd party support. Lot of multis that didnt run like crap and even some exclusives here and there. 


The Wii get horrible bad 3rd party support, the things that some even bad games sell well are not important,you should understand that WiiU is new product and most early adopters are core Nintendo fans and those were horribly disappointed by quality of 3rd party support on Wii.

So what exactly they expected .