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adriane23 on 02 July 2013
Veracity said:
adriane23 said:
Veracity said:
adriane23 said:
Casually. I'm too disgusted with the State of Florida to keep much interest. Plus, as soon as it was found out that Zimmerman suffered injuries, I knew the bigots of America would abandon all reason.

Yeah the black community are known bigots. Trayvon Martin on the phone with his friend: this "creepy ass cracker" in regards to Zimmerman. 


Accusing an entire race of bigotry is bigotry.

Just throwing your argument back in your face. Claiming that people against TM are bigots is actually worse because it isn't based upon evvidence. 

Lol at the other guy who thinks it it okay to beat someone for following you.

I didn't claim anything. Making assumptions only makes you look bad.



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Mr Khan on 02 July 2013
badgenome said:

They screwed up from the word "go" by overcharging him. There was no way a murder 2 charge as going to stick.

The most surreal thing has been watching lefties turn Rachel Jeantel into some kind of hero for being a stupid obese liar.

I agree that was overreach. This is an obvious manslaughter case, down to Zimmerman's "surprise" that Martin was dead after he shot him.

All the guy really needs to learn from this is that yes, guns kill.



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enditall727 on 02 July 2013
-CraZed- said:
Figgycal said:
Veracity said:
Trayvon Martin is a thug. He attacked Zimmerman and was shot for it. Should have just gone home. Zimmerman was not the crusader the media portrayed him to be at all.

We can all rest easy knowing there is one less criminal on earth.


Comments like that is why the civil rights people are up in arms. George Zimmerman stalked and shot an innocent 17 year old kid because he looked suspicious. I even watched the Sean Hannity interview with Zimmerman (and I hate Sean Hannity) and he basically admitted to having started the confrotation and went on to say it was all part of God's plan- as if murdering a child wasn't enough. I wont rest easy unless the dude gets what he deserves.

What I hate is that they tried to pin 2nd degree on him. SMDH

"Stalked?" We have already established that GZ lived in that community and TM did not. We've already established that the community had been experiencing a large number of break-ins and thefts. It is not a crime to ask someone what their business is in your neighborhood or even follow them as they walk on PRIVATE property. GZ lives in a 'gated' or 'planned' community and the sidewalks and roads within those are PRIVATE property. The folks who live theri have the right to 'patrol' and even ask people who do not live there or are loitering to leave. I don't care if GZ said "Hey punk get outta my neighborhood!" TM was an interloper on the private property of the residents of that community and was therefore wrong for puttig his hands on GZ.

GZ has already explained that he inquired why the young man was there and we now know TM thought he was a crazy a$$ cracker. And unless you or anyone else can provide eye witness testimony to dispute GZs accunt (which jives with the facts so far AND the 911 call transcripts) then he is not guilty. SO rest easy because he will get what he deserves... an acquital.

Hmm.. Good comment

This is what I came in here for. I wanted to find out the "truth". 

 

So far it seems like Trayvon was walking home. Zimmerman started following him. Trayvon then turned around to confront him, words were exchanged, a scuffle broke out, Trayvon was getting the best of him them George shot him.

 

Damn this case is crazy! 

 

Seems like Trayvons downfall was when he turned around to confront George. But George still started it by following Trayvon because that was the only reason why he turned around.

 

Seems like George only shot him because he was losing the scuffle.

 

George should've just left it alone and let the kid walk home and Trayvon should've kept walking instead of turning around



S.T.A.G.E. on 02 July 2013
enditall727 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
Veracity said:
adriane23 said:
Casually. I'm too disgusted with the State of Florida to keep much interest. Plus, as soon as it was found out that Zimmerman suffered injuries, I knew the bigots of America would abandon all reason.

Yeah the black community are known bigots. Trayvon Martin on the phone with his friend: this "creepy ass cracker" in regards to Zimmerman. 

Cracker isn't a racist term, its another word for a slave owner with a whip or cowman with a whip. Crack as in crack of the whip, not saltine cracker. I guess some never let slavery go. Ignorance is ignorance, but cracker isn't a racist term. If anything everytime a black person says it historically it demeans them. Its like saying "oppressor"


True but it is still racial

 

Everybody knows where the word came from. The white community dont like to be called that word. Some dont take offense to that word for this very reason but still dont like being called that word.


Of course it is...its stupid to even use the term today. If you understand what it means, they have no grounds to use it and if you explain to them they'll realize how stupid they are being. Those who understand the meaning of such things have a responsibility to teach those who do not know of what they speak. Ignorance only breeds ignorance. Hatred only breeds hatred.

 



S.T.A.G.E. on 02 July 2013
enditall727 said:
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Hmm.. Good comment

This is what I came in here for. I wanted to find out the "truth". 

 

So far it seems like Trayvon was walking home. Zimmerman started following him. Trayvon then turned around to confront him, words were exchanged, a scuffle broke out, Trayvon was getting the best of him them George shot him.

 

Damn this case is crazy! 

 

Seems like Trayvons downfall was when he turned around to confront George. But George still started it by following Trayvon because that was the only reason why he turned around.

 

Seems like George only shot him because he was losing the scuffle.

 

George should've just left it alone and let the kid walk home and Trayvon should've kept walking instead of turning around


This is how the moral of the story goes:

 

George Zimmerman should never have followed Trayvon and listened to the dispatch officer and trayvon should never have confronted him but rather just walked back to his parents house in the neighborhood.

 

This case is so broken that it they are taking testimony from people who weren't even on site. The most controversial cases that we've had in this country are the cases where there are no witnesses. Why might you ask? Because everyones bias comes into account and they need their biases to be fed on both sides. No one knows the truth and are looking for answers especially on hot button cases or racially charged cases. This case is no different than any of the others and no matter what the decision if Zimmerman goes free he will be a rich man. He will do exclusive interviews, movie deals and many other things. 



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enditall727 on 02 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
haxxiy said:


Etymology can't be used to justify whether a term is racist or not.  That's a kind of genetic fallacy. Otherwise I could just say nigger simply means black-colored instead of anything offensive since that's what the original latin term means.


You do know when black people says Nigga, they are demeaning themselves right? Its ignorance. He even called Zimmerman a "Nigga", which means "guy" interchangably if you paid attention to the testimony. 

Most African Americans don't even know the reason why they say cracker, they just say it, but they aren't doing their ancestors any favors. 

To be fair, "nigga" was a way of spinning the other word if you know what i mean. You have to understand that it's not exactly the same word.

 

The hilarious thing is that everybody says "nigga" now. EVERYBODY! Blacks, whites, spanish, Asian and everything else



-CraZed- on 02 July 2013
S.T.A.G.E. said:
haxxiy said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
 

Cracker isn't a racist term, its another word for a slave owner with a whip or cowman with a whip. Crack as in crack of the whip, not saltine cracker. I guess some never let slavery go. Ignorance is ignorance, but cracker isn't a racist term. If anything everytime a black person says it historically it demeans them. Its like saying "oppressor"


Etymology can't be used to justify whether a term is racist or not.  That's a kind of genetic fallacy. Otherwise I could just say nigger simply means black-colored instead of anything offensive since that's what the original latin term means.


You do know when black people says Nigga, they are demeaning themselves right? Its ignorance. He even called Zimmerman a "Nigga", which means "guy" interchangably if you paid attention to the testimony. 

Most African Americans don't even know the reason why they say cracker, they just say it, but they aren't doing their ancestors any favors. 

So by your rationale Paula Dean shoud have her TV show and endorsement deals reinstated if she claims she was ignorant of why she used the N word. TM or many black Americans may not know what the geneology of that word is but they sure as hell know it is dereogatory and demeaning. Him using the N word in no way dimishes the specific term cracker. So if I wanted to lessen the blow of calling a black person the N word I could just call him a cracker or peckerwood or honkey or even "guy" within the same conversation and that should negate ANY negative reaction from said black person.

Yeah you go out and try that in real world application and see how long you keep your teeth. Hell, I'm white and I'd probably be happy to help you rearrange your dental work.



S.T.A.G.E. on 02 July 2013
enditall727 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
haxxiy said:


Etymology can't be used to justify whether a term is racist or not.  That's a kind of genetic fallacy. Otherwise I could just say nigger simply means black-colored instead of anything offensive since that's what the original latin term means.


You do know when black people says Nigga, they are demeaning themselves right? Its ignorance. He even called Zimmerman a "Nigga", which means "guy" interchangably if you paid attention to the testimony. 

Most African Americans don't even know the reason why they say cracker, they just say it, but they aren't doing their ancestors any favors. 

To be fair, "nigga" was a way of spinning the other word if you know what i mean. You have to understand that it's not exactly the same word.

 

The hilarious thing is that everybody says "nigga" now. EVERYBODY! Blacks, whites, spanish, Asian and everything else

Yes it is hilarious that a lot of people are using it, but obviously its kept within certain communities and it can only be used outside if you command the same dialect...

Its a spin on the word, but ignorance allowed it to breed itself from a similar term. You can use it in peaceful situations and you can use it in heated situations and obviously with black people the world "nigga" holds no racial barrier, however, when one does not understand why the term has been deformed mass confusion ensues, especially when blacks get angry when non-blacks use it. Hypocrisy....there is no spin if certain people cannot use it. It shouldn't be said at all, even within a community.



-CraZed- on 02 July 2013
enditall727 said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
haxxiy said:


Etymology can't be used to justify whether a term is racist or not.  That's a kind of genetic fallacy. Otherwise I could just say nigger simply means black-colored instead of anything offensive since that's what the original latin term means.


You do know when black people says Nigga, they are demeaning themselves right? Its ignorance. He even called Zimmerman a "Nigga", which means "guy" interchangably if you paid attention to the testimony. 

Most African Americans don't even know the reason why they say cracker, they just say it, but they aren't doing their ancestors any favors. 

To be fair, "nigga" was a way of spinning the other word if you know what i mean. You have to understand that it's not exactly the same word.

 

The hilarious thing is that everybody says "nigga" now. EVERYBODY! Blacks, whites, spanish, Asian and everything else

No, not everybody is using the word Nigga. Not all blacks and crertainly not all people of other ethnicities. Sure there are those who do use it bt you can bet they only use it with those black people they know and are comfortable with. If some stupid cheesy ass white person came up to someone black they did not know saying "Yo, what up my Nigga?!" you can be assured they probably won't get a handshake out of it. Growing up in So Cal showe dme quite a bit about 'interracial relations'.  I've seen all sides of this stuff.



dallas on 02 July 2013
-CraZed- said:
enditall727 said:
 

To be fair, "nigga" was a way of spinning the other word if you know what i mean. You have to understand that it's not exactly the same word.

 

The hilarious thing is that everybody says "nigga" now. EVERYBODY! Blacks, whites, spanish, Asian and everything else

No, not everybody is using the word Nigga. Not all blacks and crertainly not all people of other ethnicities. Sure there are those who do use it bt you can bet they only use it with those black people they know and are comfortable with. If some stupid cheesy ass white person came up to someone black they did not know saying "Yo, what up my Nigga?!" you can be assured they probably won't get a handshake out of it. Growing up in So Cal showe dme quite a bit about 'interracial relations'.  I've seen all sides of this stuff.

If this white guy that you are hypothesizing is a "wigger" then he can say whatever he wants, lol