No need. This was already my current line of thinking.

Besides... performance increases aren't just strictly limited to AMD, nVidia does the same.

That one is impressive.
Pretty sure I used a few of those images flaunting the superiority of the PC Gaming Master Race once before. Haha

nVidia is just dominating right now. And they deserve their success.

It's hard for AMD to be competitive against Intel *and* nVidia, both companies are bigger than AMD.
Plus we are still seeing the effects of the old GPU division plan. Hopefully with the Radeon group becoming it's own seperate entity again we might see a shift on that front over the next few years.

The rebadges need to stop though. Enough is enough. Haha

They definitely aren't but I guess AMD's argument is that they have more potential than their competitor which we can't see currently ... 

Well, my surprise comes from the fact that a $699 card is selling better than a $199-249 one. Usually, low and mid range cards sell much better than high end stuff.

And I agree on the rebadging thing. The whole HD7xx0 => R 2xx => R3xx rebadges were ridiculous, and they are doing it again with the 5xx series being the same 4xx products all around.

You are right, low-end and mid-range usually have higher volumes... But considering AMD doesn't have a high-end product at all, nVidia was able to steal the entire high-end market for themselves. Like. All of it.

AMD's RX 580 is competing against the Geforce 1060 which is stiff competition as it is.
The Geforce 1080 has been such a strong Halo product giving nVidia all the attention in reviews, enthusiast circles, praise. etc'. That resonates with the rest of the product stack.

Plus the bulk of RX 580 cards probably went to miners anyway which may not be reflected in the Steam statistics, heck card availablility is still limited... Whereas it's competitor, the Geforce 1060, 1070 and 1080 is fully stocked here.

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Also... The Radeon R5  430, R5 435, R7 430, R7 435, 520 and 530 are rebadged Oland parts from all the way back in 2013 with the Radeon HD 8000 series cards.
The Radeon R7 450 is actually the same GPU as the Radeon 7750 from 2012. The rebadging sucks.

Next year we will likely see a whole lineup of rebadged Polaris and Vega with possibly Navi sprinkled on top.

So you basically went far back to bring this forward for a buig "I'm right, you're wrong" type response?, because it reads like it.

The way you speak of AMD makes them sound almost godiike and absolutely unstoppable, that they will demolish Intel and Nvidia without breaking a sweat and yet that already is far from the truth.

"So I'm not going to risk it either just by some off chance that RX Vega will somehow top the GTX 1080 Ti in 2 years just in several AAA games"

So you are sure it will top the 1080ti in 2 years?. What about the latest GPU from nvidia by then?.

I can't help but feel smarminess coming from that reply. 

AMD obviously aren't invincible going their years of losses and I don't speak very highly of them to begin with ... (they have an uptick with CPUs but I still prefer Intel for emulation purposes and they've taken the wrong strategy with GPUs so I have less reasons to look at AMD than ever before) 

You don't have to feel smarmy because your purchasing habit just validated my point either way ...  

And I don't know if it will top the 1080 Ti in 2 years either since that ties into my whole argument that people don't buy consumer products with uncertain future performance in mind ... (nobody wants to deal with promises of delivery in performance, not even me) 

1080 Ti could tank in tomorrow's games but nobody would care either way since a lot of PC graphics enthusiats have moved into the cadence of yearly upgrades anyways ... (I bet Nvidia could choose not to update their drivers for older microachitectures or even better, throw a few wrenches to tank performance so that they could get customers to upgrade as soon as possible. If that works then AMD should follow suit.) 

If we talk about GPUs, people choice a product over another by the current performance... but keeping an eye on the future.

If I had to decide between a GTX 1060 and a RX 480/580, I'd go with the AMD product despite being slightly slower in current games. And I'd do that because they have more VRAM, they're much better with DX12 games and for some unknown reason Nvidia can make better drivers out of the gate, meaning that their products improve less over time than their AMD counterparts, so that small difference between a 1060 and a 480/580 could turn around and make the AMD product faster in a year or less.

Sadly, that doesn't apply to the high end because, as we all know, AMD doesn't have a high end product. So choosing a 1080Ti over Vega doesn't have anything to do with focusing only on their current performance, because it doesn't matter how much AMD improves its drivers, a card destined to compete with the 1080 won't be able to compete with a product that's 30% faster than its smaller sibling.

1080Ti > 1080/Vega64 > 1070/Vega56 > 1060/580/480

Pretty much sums it up.

You don't know that! (Neither do I for that matter.) 

There's far more to performance than just the drivers themselves. AMD could very well get into these so called 'dirty' gameworks tactics that the internet decries Nvidia for by paying game developers to accept their code contributions which has two paths (one that would have catastrophic performance for their competitor even on their own hardware too and the other code path containing the most optimized code with their driver extensions by detecting the vendor ID) 

Keep what eye on the future exactly ? (Tons of people bought GTX 680's over HD 7970's despite having a massive lead in current games.) 

I don't know, it's true, but we know that AMD has been using the 1080 in all its Vega demostrations, which gives us an idea of what segment of the market they're going after.

Also, do you really, really think that AMD has the power to get into a battle with Nvidia using propietary tech? C'mon, they're in a position where, if they do that, it could cause them more harm than good... while losing a lot of the goodwill they've gotten promoting the open formats over the years.

The 680/7970 case was an oddity. The 7xx0 cards were the first GCN cards and AMD had a lot of work to do with their drivers, and it also needed an extra bump in speed to 1,000 MHz to top the Nvidia card.