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QUAKECore89 said:
JEMC said:

Wow! And I accused Quake of buying too many games during GOG's Sale, and "only" bought something like 30.

Meanwhile, I only got 3 games and one piece of DLC for one of those games.

50 gog games.



Please excuse my bad English.

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haxxiy said:

Intel's process is 14 nm, or at least has a legitimate reason to call itself so. It beat the ITRS rules for 16 nm. It will be behind with their 10 nm, but still, that will be the most complex and dense node on the market for years to come.

There is very likely no Samsung 7 nm process before 2020 at least, since they just released the first generation of 10 nm and pretend to have three of them, before moving to 8 nm on DUV by 2019, and only after then 7 nm.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/11337/samsung-and-tsmc-roadmaps-12-nm-8-nm-and-6-nm-added/

Hell, Samsung took three years to release a "10 nm" node barely more dense than Intel's 14 nm, which has almost no interested buyers so far besides themselves and some Snapdragon from Qualcomm (a design desperate to be competitive again), and very likely worse electric properties than Intel's 14 nm, since Intel can afford to sacrifice transistor density to have so.

Global Foundries and TSMC are much closer in density to Intel's 10 nm with their "7 nm" DUV processes, albeit still a little behind, and probably will beat Samsung's 8 nm to the market.  Throwing tons of money at something doesn't mean your product will come ahead of more experienced and equally clever competitors. Ask that to IBM.

Besides, I have a hunch that EUV processes will have to deal with low yields and high costs for a while, so I wouldn't be surprised if they were stuck on risk production for some 2 years or so. Intel seems to agree, since there will be no true 7 nm from them until 2021-2022. DUV will probably be the way to go on the 2018-2021 timeframe.

No it isn't ... 

Samsung's spec for their 7nm is noticeably better than Intel 10nm ... 

Samsung's 10nm isn't even their true successor to 14nm, that lies with 7nm which will give it over a 2x shrink. GF outing Samsung in the density race ? Fat chance of that happening since we know what happened last time on 14nm ... 

Throwing tons of money actually does seem to work considering how capitally intensive modern integrated manufacturing is. The only reason why GF is even remotely competitive with TSMC despite being much smaller is because they get free lunches from IBM and Samsung ... 

EUV will have low yields ? LOL wut is this ? EUV is just a change to the scanner, if anything EUV should have better yields because of it's higher resolution imaging ... 



vivster said:
Kerotan said:

Jesus,  that's a lot. I can see why you're pissed it's not working right. 

I'm not really pissed, just a bit disappointed. Nothing a new PC can't fix.

Yeah I bet you are.  I'd be super pissed if I spent massive money on a pc and it didn't work as intended.  

A previous pc which is almost on it's death bed now cost me between 2/3k and it stopped working after a few months.  it was in warranty so I had it replaced but I got lucky.  The parts that made up the pc were no longer sold by the company and it was more convenient for them to replace it using new parts they are selling. I ended up getting it replaced for free by a pc worth around 3k.  I was happy with the outcome but if it wasn't under warranty I would have been super mad. 



Kerotan said:
vivster said:

I'm not really pissed, just a bit disappointed. Nothing a new PC can't fix.

Yeah I bet you are.  I'd be super pissed if I spent massive money on a pc and it didn't work as intended.  

A previous pc which is almost on it's death bed now cost me between 2/3k and it stopped working after a few months.  it was in warranty so I had it replaced but I got lucky.  The parts that made up the pc were no longer sold by the company and it was more convenient for them to replace it using new parts they are selling. I ended up getting it replaced for free by a pc worth around 3k.  I was happy with the outcome but if it wasn't under warranty I would have been super mad. 

That's why you never should buy prebuilt.



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vivster said:
Kerotan said:

Yeah I bet you are.  I'd be super pissed if I spent massive money on a pc and it didn't work as intended.  

A previous pc which is almost on it's death bed now cost me between 2/3k and it stopped working after a few months.  it was in warranty so I had it replaced but I got lucky.  The parts that made up the pc were no longer sold by the company and it was more convenient for them to replace it using new parts they are selling. I ended up getting it replaced for free by a pc worth around 3k.  I was happy with the outcome but if it wasn't under warranty I would have been super mad. 

That's why you never should buy prebuilt.

My case says otherwise. I ended up getting a replacement pc worth around $1000 more that worked like a dream for years.  If I'd no warranty I'd agree with you.  

 

I also bought an alienware that I only use for work but it works now like it's brand new.  If I'd gone to the effort of building a pc under no warranty and it went fault I think I'd go nuts.  Must be the most frustrating thing ever,  especially when spending your hard earned cash. 



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Kerotan said:
vivster said:

That's why you never should buy prebuilt.

My case says otherwise. I ended up getting a replacement pc worth around $1000 more that worked like a dream for years.  If I'd no warranty I'd agree with you.  

 

I also bought an alienware that I only use for work but it works now like it's brand new.  If I'd gone to the effort of building a pc under no warranty and it went fault I think I'd go nuts.  Must be the most frustrating thing ever,  especially when spending your hard earned cash. 

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on money.



If you demand respect or gratitude for your volunteer work, you're doing volunteering wrong.

vivster said:
Kerotan said:

My case says otherwise. I ended up getting a replacement pc worth around $1000 more that worked like a dream for years.  If I'd no warranty I'd agree with you.  

 

I also bought an alienware that I only use for work but it works now like it's brand new.  If I'd gone to the effort of building a pc under no warranty and it went fault I think I'd go nuts.  Must be the most frustrating thing ever,  especially when spending your hard earned cash. 

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on money.

Even though I've a lot of money over the last few years I really hate it.  it's the worst thing about society imo. 



Is there a Steam Friend thread on VGC?



sethnintendo said:

Is there a Steam Friend thread on VGC?

It wouldn't surprise me if such thread existed... a long, long time ago. Finding it now would be like a miracle.

If you want to add some Steam Friends, you can look at the VGC Secret Santa thread from last X-mas (here: http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=223642), where everybody has to share their Steam or GOG ID to take part.



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

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Kerotan said:
vivster said:

That's why you never should buy prebuilt.

My case says otherwise. I ended up getting a replacement pc worth around $1000 more that worked like a dream for years.  If I'd no warranty I'd agree with you.  

 

I also bought an alienware that I only use for work but it works now like it's brand new.  If I'd gone to the effort of building a pc under no warranty and it went fault I think I'd go nuts.  Must be the most frustrating thing ever,  especially when spending your hard earned cash. 

 

vivster said:
Kerotan said:

My case says otherwise. I ended up getting a replacement pc worth around $1000 more that worked like a dream for years.  If I'd no warranty I'd agree with you.  

 

I also bought an alienware that I only use for work but it works now like it's brand new.  If I'd gone to the effort of building a pc under no warranty and it went fault I think I'd go nuts.  Must be the most frustrating thing ever,  especially when spending your hard earned cash. 

You seem to have an unhealthy fixation on money.

Both of you do know that you can get a) warranty for custom built pcs and b) the individual parts on a custom pcs already come with warranties right? And generally more than what the pre-builts give you.

For example, Ram almost 99% of the time comes with free lifetime warranty and GPUs usually come with 3/5/lifetime warranty, SSDs come with 3/5/10 year warranties and etc. If you get a pre-built, you are stuck with the standard 1 year warranty and usually pay more to get extended. Of course, if you spill coffee, the standard warranty on individual parts on the custom built won't cover something like that (Although some do) unless you get accidental damange warranty when you are buying custom built from the retailer.



                  

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