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Chazore said:

I'm tempted to make a thread on why Steam isn't a magical and all powerful "monopoly", based on the fact that the other storefronts do jack shit towards gaining all the games that Steam has, as well as fully supporting indie devs.

 

EA doesn't support the indie scene. Their store only has a tiny handful of non EA based AAA games and it absolutely pales in comparisson to the AAA games Steam has. EA has done nothign to rectify that.

Blizzard only sells Blizzard/Activision owned titles on their storefront. Nothing else and no mod support outside of SC I/II and WC III/FT, both of which aren't included with their game client/ You have to go to their online storefront in order to get that game and it's exp pack. THey haven't even gone out of their way to make it so you can play their oldest titles from their client either. 

Bethesda only sells bethesda published/owned titles from their client, which is already a very minute library on it's own.

Ubisoft sells their games on Steam, but requrie you to use their client. Their storefront sells a couple of indie supported games (a very small few), but the vast majority being sold are titles owned by them. like EA, they only sell a tiny handful of non Ubisoft owned AAA titles.

GoG's business is making sure older titles work with modern OS's. They sell a few AAA games and some indie titles, but again, nothing of the same scale that Steam sells.

 

Everyone but GOG hasn't bothered to compete with Valve in terms of obtaining all the good non trash titles to their storefronts. Hardly any of them fully support the modding scene and they all mostly sell games they've own or publish. GoG still has a long way to go, but they are second to steam, while the rest sink below the two storefronts. 

 

You want that "monopoly" to end?, ask for the competition to work their asses as hard as they can. They should be out there courting all the indie devs to sell from their store, as well as supporting them. They should all be aiming for as much mod support as possible. Steam has their Steam workshop, as well as forum guides for each game that allows for guides on outside modding. I don't care if anyone on this site doesn't give two shits about indie or mods, but I do, and I'll not see a company driven under because a few here don't care about those two aspects of PC gaming. I love indie games and I love modding them, especially AAA games that come out busted, where the modding community is basically a second safety net. 

I think Valve will get shat on regardless of what they do. Like they removed 150-200 "fake" games from steam and no one cared...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-27-valve-removes-over-150-fake-games-from-steam

They remove one game with questionable material based on their investigation on the actions of the developer and everyone is like derp, Valve is terrible. It's like wtf...

Like k, I don't agree with the decision of removing the game but here's the thing. What do people think will happen if Valve starts curating their store seriously? When you have curators, games will be subjective af. If a Curator thinks something is meant for "pedos" and shouldn't be on steam, it will either be removed or not allowed on steam in the first place. But what will people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve!

On the other end, if they don't curate, guess what's people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve! It's laughable honestly.



             

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Captain_Yuri said:

I think Valve will get shat on regardless of what they do. Like they removed 150-200 "fake" games from steam and no one cared...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-27-valve-removes-over-150-fake-games-from-steam

They remove one game with questionable material based on their investigation on the actions of the developer and everyone is like derp, Valve is terrible. It's like wtf...

Like k, I don't agree with the decision of removing the game but here's the thing. What do people think will happen if Valve starts curating their store seriously? When you have curators, games will be subjective af. If a Curator thinks something is meant for "pedos" and shouldn't be on steam, it will either be removed or not allowed on steam in the first place. But what will people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve!

On the other end, if they don't curate, guess what's people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve! It's laughable honestly.

I know they have a planned store revamp, but I highly doubt many on here will care for that either.

Some here just want a company that worked hard to get where it is, to die and for all the games to just vanish overnight. The other storefronts won't take all the missing games in, nor will they support them either. People wishing for one company, that most devs sell from to die, without realising just how much damage that would do to the platform in general.

GoG isn't nearly as rich to support all of the games that Steam has (excluding the trash), while the rest are absolutely not interested in supporting the entire library. If they were, we'd have seen insane library growth from all the other clients, but we haven't. 

These people seem to forget that Valve doesn't hold indie and AAA studios at gunpoint. The devs choose to sell on that storefront because it's more accessible, has mod support and it also has the most users buying and using it. You can't simply tell millions of gamers to stop using Steam, stop buying games from the storefront and then tossing away the library you paid for.

 

it amazes me what people will fight for, and the thing they fight for, is the one that will do the most damage. It's like they cannot see the consequences of placing their needs over others first. But then again, it's no surprise that this site is pro heavy Japanese in terms of support. So anything that doesn't get approved from Japan, earns massive ire from the crowd on here. Ruler is just another one of those who would throw PC under the bus to get anything out there.

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Exactly. Either way, Valve would get shat on. because these people fail to understand what a tight form of curation would do to the store in general. imagine if Valve was as tight at EA/Blizzard. We wouldn't have Undertale. We wouldn't have Starbound and many others out there.

People give props to Nintendo for their super tight curation view, but they fail to notice that for all those AAA games and indie titles that are turned away by that company, all end up going to PC, because they aren't turned away and are in fact supported one way or another (the other way involving a release on all the storefronts, or one of them).

I think their reasoning was lame, but the last thing I want, is for creepy titles to pop up over and over, then having the UK/US journo's sticking their heads into the games industry and labeling gamers as pedos.

 

Japan makes good games here and there, but they are ever so pervy. The US/UK loves gun violence, but they shy away from porn in the public eye, while Japan loves to dance across that line in nearly any aspect of the industries they have in their own country. 



                                       

Chazore said:
Captain_Yuri said:

I think Valve will get shat on regardless of what they do. Like they removed 150-200 "fake" games from steam and no one cared...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-09-27-valve-removes-over-150-fake-games-from-steam

They remove one game with questionable material based on their investigation on the actions of the developer and everyone is like derp, Valve is terrible. It's like wtf...

Like k, I don't agree with the decision of removing the game but here's the thing. What do people think will happen if Valve starts curating their store seriously? When you have curators, games will be subjective af. If a Curator thinks something is meant for "pedos" and shouldn't be on steam, it will either be removed or not allowed on steam in the first place. But what will people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve!

On the other end, if they don't curate, guess what's people's reaction is gonna be? Boo Valve! It's laughable honestly.

I know they have a planned store revamp, but I highly doubt many on here will care for that either.

Some here just want a company that worked hard to get where it is, to die and for all the games to just vanish overnight. The other storefronts won't take all the missing games in, nor will they support them either. People wishing for one company, that most devs sell from to die, without realising just how much damage that would do to the platform in general.

GoG isn't nearly as rich to support all of the games that Steam has (excluding the trash), while the rest are absolutely not interested in supporting the entire library. If they were, we'd have seen insane library growth from all the other clients, but we haven't. 

These people seem to forget that Valve doesn't hold indie and AAA studios at gunpoint. The devs choose to sell on that storefront because it's more accessible, has mod support and it also has the most users buying and using it. You can't simply tell millions of gamers to stop using Steam, stop buying games from the storefront and then tossing away the library you paid for.

 

it amazes me what people will fight for, and the thing they fight for, is the one that will do the most damage. It's like they cannot see the consequences of placing their needs over others first. But then again, it's no surprise that this site is pro heavy Japanese in terms of support. So anything that doesn't get approved from Japan, earns massive ire from the crowd on here. Ruler is just another one of those who would throw PC under the bus to get anything out there.

@bold

Exactly. Either way, Valve would get shat on. because these people fail to understand what a tight form of curation would do to the store in general. imagine if Valve was as tight at EA/Blizzard. We wouldn't have Undertale. We wouldn't have Starbound and many others out there.

People give props to Nintendo for their super tight curation view, but they fail to notice that for all those AAA games and indie titles that are turned away by that company, all end up going to PC, because they aren't turned away and are in fact supported one way or another (the other way involving a release on all the storefronts, or one of them).

I think their reasoning was lame, but the last thing I want, is for creepy titles to pop up over and over, then having the UK/US journo's sticking their heads into the games industry and labeling gamers as pedos.

 

Japan makes good games here and there, but they are ever so pervy. The US/UK loves gun violence, but they shy away from porn in the public eye, while Japan loves to dance across that line in nearly any aspect of the industries they have in their own country. 

The funny thing is, we already had a time when Valve did curate their store... And people hated it. Many excellent indie games and even some non-indie games wouldn't make it to the store or they will make it a long time after they have come out. So Valve tried to listen to the fans then and came up with Steam GreenLight which I still think the concept was a great one but of course, it eventually didn't go the way they wanted it to go. So Valve is once again trying to listen to the fans and trying to revamp their store but people are still like derp, they are bad.

It feels like what people think is gonna happen is that Valve is gonna turn on a switch and then boom, all the bad games will go away and only the good games will remain which will never be the case. If Valve really is starting to curate their store, it's not gonna happen overnight and plenty of good and some questionable games won't be allowed to come to the store on the way since that is how curation works. It's all subjective and It will probably take them a couple of years to fully revamp everything and get it working.

And of course, people's usual response is, but Valve is making billions! Guess what? So is every other company! Yet none of the other companies really have a really good service like Steam. Like you look at Family Sharing, Cloud storage that is done on a per game biases instead of a total amount and etc, that is only on steam. You don't see Origin and etc having all of that that and Sony's/MS's implementation is not only lolz worthy but also costs money...

Oh well. What can ya do...

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VGPolyglot said:

I second that comment, all the free games I have dowloaded thru his hard work.  A big thanks

If only we had enough time to play them all, right?

Chazore said:

I'm tempted to make a thread on why Steam isn't a magical and all powerful "monopoly", based on the fact that the other storefronts do jack shit towards gaining all the games that Steam has, as well as fully supporting indie devs.

 

***

GoG's business is making sure older titles work with modern OS's. They sell a few AAA games and some indie titles, but again, nothing of the same scale that Steam sells.

 

Everyone but GOG hasn't bothered to compete with Valve in terms of obtaining all the good non trash titles to their storefronts. Hardly any of them fully support the modding scene and they all mostly sell games they've own or publish. GoG still has a long way to go, but they are second to steam, while the rest sink below the two storefronts. 

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GOG will never be able to compete with Steam for one simple reason: DRM.

Steam is a safe and not very intrusive DRM system, but CD Projekt has one simple with rule with GOG, and that is no DRM. Consequently, third parties don't want to put their new games at GOG because they fear of piracy and, without them, they'll never be able to compete face to face with Steam.



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Captain_Yuri said:

The funny thing is, we already had a time when Valve did curate their store... And people hated it. Many excellent indie games and even some non-indie games wouldn't make it to the store or they will make it a long time after they have come out. So Valve tried to listen to the fans then and came up with Steam GrennLight which I still think the concept was a great one but of course, it eventually didn't go the way they wanted it to go. So Valve is once again trying to listen to the fans and trying to revamp their store but people are still like derp, they are bad.

It feels like what people think is gonna happen is that Valve is gonna turn on a switch and then boom, all the bad games will go away and only the good games will remain which will never be the case. If Valve really is starting to curate their store, it's not gonna happen overnight and plenty of good and some questionable games won't be allowed to come to the store on the way since that is how curation works. It's all subjective and It will probably take them a couple of years to fully revamp everything and get it working.

And of course, people's usual response is, but Valve is making billions! Guess what? So is every other company! Yet none of the other companies really have a really good service like Steam. Like you look at Family Sharing, Cloud storage that is done on a per game biases instead of a total amount and etc, that is only on steam. You don't see Origin and etc having all of that that and Sony's/MS's implementation is not only lolz worthy but also costs money...

Oh well. What can ya do...

I think at this point, there is no winning with those people. Those people that have disliked Steam and what they've done over the years aren't likely to change.

I know someone could say the same in regards to the other clients out there, but let's be brutally honest here, none of them have done as much as Steam has in inviting devs to their storefront and giving them support.

I just wish that the competition cared as much as Steam has over the years, but that doesn't look like it'll change either. EA is super happy with netting as few sales as they do on origin, while Blizzard seemingly ignores everyone else. Ubisoft is technically taking sales via Steam, since you ultimately need to use their client, which doesn't net a lot of sales from their own storefront (hence the "free" games they've been handing out, which are all mostly older titles that didn't sell well on PC to begin with).



                                       

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JEMC said: 

GOG will never be able to compete with Steam for one simple reason: DRM.

Steam is a safe and not very intrusive DRM system, but CD Projekt has one simple with rule with GOG, and that is no DRM. Consequently, third parties don't want to put their new games at GOG because they fear of piracy and, without them, they'll never be able to compete face to face with Steam.

Then in the end, people should try thinking that GoG>Steam, because it ultimately cannot compete with Steam due to their one policy they stick with.

That doesn't mean the other clients out there cannot compete with Steam, they are just lazy and only care about what they want to sell, not what consumers want. 



                                       

Chazore said:
JEMC said: 

GOG will never be able to compete with Steam for one simple reason: DRM.

Steam is a safe and not very intrusive DRM system, but CD Projekt has one simple with rule with GOG, and that is no DRM. Consequently, third parties don't want to put their new games at GOG because they fear of piracy and, without them, they'll never be able to compete face to face with Steam.

Then in the end, people should try thinking that GoG>Steam, because it ultimately cannot compete with Steam due to their one policy they stick with.

That doesn't mean the other clients out there cannot compete with Steam, they are just lazy and only care about what they want to sell, not what consumers want

Steam is no different, they just have the advantage because they're the biggest.



VGPolyglot said:
Chazore said:

Then in the end, people should try thinking that GoG>Steam, because it ultimately cannot compete with Steam due to their one policy they stick with.

That doesn't mean the other clients out there cannot compete with Steam, they are just lazy and only care about what they want to sell, not what consumers want

Steam is no different, they just have the advantage because they're the biggest.

They have the advanateg because people are allowed to sell on their storefront.

 

Like I said before, where are the rest of them (apart from GoG being super selective) opening their gates for all the other AAA and indie titles to their storefronts?.

Steam is vastly different to the other stores, there is no comparison, because the other stores have half the library and half the features that Steam has. It's like when people try to compare a low end console to an enthusiast end PC, they aren't going to be the same. 

Last edited by Chazore - on 19 December 2017

                                       

How about Valve fuck right off with that shit on Steam ?

At least the others behind running a digital retail platform make good AAA games once in a while so that's one excuse for why they don't focus so much on competing against Steam but where's Valve's contribution to PC gaming ?

Nobody asked Valve to devolve into the other clients, we would've wanted Steam to be the equivalent of Amazon or Netflix for gaming but instead they just keep getting worse ...

I sincerely hope Valve gets ruined since they are cancer to PC gaming just like Crytek is right now ...



I hope Valve carries on, just to keep the rage alive.



Meanwhile, I'll be waiting for the other store clients to become top dog, so we can rant about how they aren't holding a monopoly and how it's "deserved" that they have it.

 

Anti net neutrality folk have no say in what can and cannot do business.