"And when/if you get divorced you're gonna seek out another virgin? Good luck with that." Divorce is a no no in christianity, only permitted if one partner was adulterous, and I wonder what would cause that? :p

"It's all very silly to allow your life to be dictated like that." Principles and saving your virginity (which you only have once I might add) for someone special is silly. I see.

"There is nothing immoral about it btw, as long as what you do doesn't hurt another living thing, it's fine." Most of the 7 billion people in the world would not agree with this.

"You make it sound like all men that enjoy sex are controlled by their dicks as well, which isn't true" no I am not, I was refering to casual sex which I disagree with.

"That sounds like a way to brainwash people into seeing their point of view" no its an opinion, a valid one too. Whats wrong with it? You wouldnt mind your partner having lots of mileage?

LOL so divorce never happens in christianity, yeah right do me a favour. It does, in droves.

Virginity is nothing special, it's not a real thing.

Disagree about most people thinking it's immorale to have sex before marriage, I would say you're in the minority. Not even most religious people live by it, look at our very own hatmoza!

No I wouldn't mind, as long as they're clean and monogumous I don't give a shit.

If two people are single, have consensual safe sex, there is nothing wrong with that. Nobody should be saying otherwise.

Again it's people like you butting your nose in, in other peoples lives judging them by your own ridiculous measures. If you wanna be so easily dictated then hats of to you, nout wrong with the opposite though.

"LOL so divorce never happens in christianity, yeah right do me a favour. It does, in droves." And when did I say that? Stop hearing voices in your head. Do those droves compare to that of non religious marriages I wonder?

"Virginity is nothing special, it's not a real thing." and homsexuality is a choice because I say so. Its pretty real, just like your first words as a child >_>

"Disagree about most people thinking it's immorale to have sex before marriage, I would say you're in the minority. Not even most religious people live by it, look at our very own hatmoza" No, wrong. See in your part of the world America and Europe its acceptable. But practically every other geographical region on Earth would consider that a no no. Western Opinion != World Opinion, Popular Opinion != World Opinion. Please realize that. And Hatmoza does not represent the worlds Christians. I know a lot of riligious kids tend to bonk before marriage, and their never proud of it. Its not something they would boast about in public. And if you think Christians are perfect think again, any christian worth their salt knows they arent Perfect. But not being perfect isnt an excuse for us to live by the flesh/sinfully.

"Again it's people like you butting your nose in, in other peoples lives judging them by your own ridiculous measures." You seem to be doing a fine job judging yourself mister. When did having different opinions become butting into peoples lives? You dont have to agree with what I say, just as I clearly dont agree with what you have to say. But this has no tangible effect on your life, ease up.

Why? Sex is good, sex is fine. Doggy style, or even 69. Whether it is just for fun or getting paid every one likes getting laid. (and I forgot the rest of the rhyme).

1. Let me put it this way. The way a witness answers a question in court is heavily skewed by the vocabulary used when the question is asked. Memories are incredibly easy to manipulate and are influenced by numerous factors. Without supporting evidence, witness testimonials are next to useless.

2. If you've read up on psychology, neuroscience and simply the biology of your eyes, then you should also know that the brain is quite capable of conjuring up different images, especially when in the dark. You don't need drugs for the imagination to interpret what you see, or hear and give it context based on your own bias. The sub-conscious brain is more than capable of conjuring up thoughts or images that could be associated with god, especially when the context of prayer is put in. For instance, I've seen a figure in red robes when in a dark room (I wasn't praying) which wasn't there, but I now know how big a part the brain plays in vision and how the brain likes to interpret and put context into your sight. Had I been praying at the time, my own bias, the context of prayer and the coincidence of seeing the figure would likely have made me associate it with god. But that's not evidence of god, it's a trick of the human brain.

I recommend looking into some of the stuff Derren Brown has done and how easily the brain can be manipulated, even during the course of a 5-10 minute journey to work.

3. I don't want to get too far into a moral debate but 'good' and 'evil' are both human constructs and are both completely relative to the rules of the society you live in. They are forever changing. In the past, slavery was completely acceptable, now it's evil. You can die a martyr and by one group you're seen as the epitome of 'good' but by another you're completely 'evil'. It's all relative and it's entirely human.

On that note, even the formation of the new testament is heavily influenced by humans. There were far more texts than are currently included and the chosen texts were picked by humans, with all their flaws and bias.

4. There are 5 other major religions around the world and I'm pretty sure each one has individuals describing similar events as you're describing here. Spiritiuality isn't solely a Christian thing, it isn't even solely a god thing. Again, context is everything. If you were raised in a predominantly Hindu area, you're more likely to associate your personal experiences with Hindu gods as that's what your brain has the most knowledge of and you would have been praying to Hindu gods.

5. Personal experience is a horrible way to prove anything. We all have bias, we're all flawed and as I've alluded to in points 1&2, we're all incredibly easy to influence, mainpulate and delude. The best way to prove something is to gather data/information from multiple methods and sources, then scrutinise that information with a range of other people, test it and repeat until you have a solid argument.

Your testimony means absolutely nothing if you can't back it up with more information than personal experiences. I see no reason to treat you any different to any other witness, therefore I need to see accompanying evidence (other people's personal experiences are just as wishy washy for the reasons stated in points 1&2).

I also find it odd you say I'm basing my conclusions on bad grounds. What conclusions? You're the one basing conclusions on only a single method (personal and bias experiences). I'm saying there isn't anywhere near enough information to reach the conclusions you've come to.

Again, no it isn't.  You really need to stop Bible quoting, especially from the english version.

In the quotes you're using there, the original Greek terminology was "pornea".  This was incorrectly tranlated to "fornication" in the King James.  The problem is that there isn't really a proper single word for pornea in modern english, because it is a contextual word.  It's kinda like "Tebowing".  If St Paul was telling you not to "Tebow" you would know what he meant if you followed American Football.  You know it meant not to kneel and pray after scoring a touchdown.  13 centeries from now though, the reference wouldn't be understood and you might try to come up with terms like "celebrate a victory" or something of that nature, but that is too general.

The Corinthians back in the day had a great temple you could go to.  The operators of said temple rounded up women as sexual slaves.  If you were a farmer hoping for a good crop you could go and pay for some sex with the sex slaves and not only could you get your rocks off, but it was supposed to make your crops grow well too.  This activity was called "pornea" by the people of the day.  Can't beat that deal!  Except for the forced prostitution and the fact that most of these farmers would probably be married and thus cheating on their wives.

So when you see people in the Bible telling people not to pornea, they are telling them that paying sex slaves for sex to help your crops grow is wrong.  I think most of us would agree with that.  They are not saying pre-marital sex is wrong.

Also, in your completely irrelevent example, Joseph resisted sex with a governor's wife.  Of course sex with a governor's wife is wrong!  She's married!  That's what we call coveting a neighbors wife.  That's one of the 10 God-given commandments.

No, there is no reference to two non-married people having free, consentual, sex because they love each other as a bad thing.  There are examples of good men having multiple wives, but that's another topic all together.  The idea of no sex until marriage is a societal control that became more common in Victorian England (before this almost 40% of first pregnancies were pre-marriage).  It has no Bible basis.

I commend you for wanting to be a virgan until marriage if that's what makes you happy.  It's probably a healthy and safe lifestyle.  But don't try to say it's the right thing to do because the Bible says so and that others are doing something wrong.  Risking disease or unplanned pregnacy or emotional scars, sure, but they may also enjoy love, happiness and other wonderful things through a pre-marriage sexual relationship.  And avoiding sexual relationships could also cause sadness or loneliness, and judging others is definitly wrong.  Leave that to God.

There are actually a lot of girls that are staying celibate for marriage. So, no luck needed. However, I want to stress that virginity is an ideal point of purity... the thought is what counts the most which means that people who are not virgins and are saving sex for marriage anyways is a Godly thing.

No... LOL! ... Its anything but ME convincing myself. That made me smile/laugh. If anything it was God and his teachings that did the convincing.

You mean to choose to have the ideals of not looking at women as sex objects, always tell the truth, never steal... never murder, be hard-working, be concious of other people... That's silly? Then in that case... call me the king of the silly people. lol

It hurts God. It hurts yourself. And things that don't hurt people doesn't mean its not immoral. For example.... Bob steals something.. but nobody knows it was stolen... nobody is hurt... in your logic.. Bob didn't do anything wrong. So, hurt or pain is not a direct factor of immoral acts but instead a correlational consequence of immoral acts. 

I'll leave it at that... God Bless