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Zappykins said:
Calmador said:
 

Its not a right that gays have. Its a right that belongs between non-gay men and women only. Homosexuality is a pyschological disorder, no different from depression. This condition is a sickness not a healthy or normal thing and has little to do with civil rights.

The scholars that you mention either can't read or don't understand what Jesus himself said marriage was which is between a man and a woman, male and female God made us. This is the way God/Jesus clearly described marriage and men and women. The diciples of Chirst easily supports this aswell. Its very easily understood that same-sex marriage, homoxuality... both the action and "lust" are considered sin.

Its not wrong for religion to have influence in the legal system. Its unavoidable since the US protects freedom of religion. We have the freedom to choose a religion and people are going to have one and those people will vote. Think about what I said for a second... I'm sure you can see what I mean.

This isn't about civil rights. Its about social values. There are homosexual people have been cured. There are straight people who used to be homosexuals because of counseling. Does hair color change by talking(counseling) to it? Does skin color change by talking(counseling) to it. Nope, but behavior is changed by counseling. What does this tell you about homosexuality? Its clearly a behavior. This is open in the air... sky is blue... truth. So it all comes down to social values. I value the heath, pyschological state and morality of homosexual people and see them as they are... and they are unhealthy (homosexual acts causes disease), pyschological messed up, (suicide and depression and it isnt because of people who hate homosexuals) and in an immoral state which is has to do with specific beliefs. You might not relate to my beliefs but you sure as heck have to let me vote according my voice and my voice does and always will include my God.

So you stand there and value a condition that causes disease and pyschological problems... that are all deadly.

You need to atleast see that... just because homosexuals feel bad about such policies doesn't mean its bad for them. Its like telling an alchoholic... drinking is bad for you. And then you have drunks protesting for more drinking... like-wise homosexuals are protesting for thier condition. These people need help, not encouragement.

Do you see?

You are so out of touch and misinformed, it's a bit scary, but I support your right to feel any way you want.  But will not allow your misconceptions to effect the civil rights of others.

No, homosexuality is no more a disorder than being female or left handed, some people are just born different.  And that does not give an religion the legal authority to descriminate.

But people who feel the way you do are rare, and growing fewer.  Must be tough to see, how yet another country and state endorces Marriage Equality and Same Sex Marriage.  I hope your faith comforts you that you know it is for the greater good.

People used religion to deny left handed people and woman rights, they were wrong.  I hope you can see that someday.

I'm not misinformed. I know when the constituition was made that it was made in teh environment and influence OF Christianity. Everyone knows this. One of the main reasons the U.S. was made was so we could practice Christianity. That's why I say the things I say.. because it comes out of the hirtory and context of when the constituition was made. The constituition clearly gives citizens the right to have a religion. This means I can accept Christianity as my viewpoint and vote on that viewpoint. The constituition also says it will not make any law respecting religion... When I vote for a law based on my Christian viewpoint, its important to realize that  I, me, I am voting.. not religion itself. So, its me as a citizen that is being respected and made for.  Christianity and reality in my eyes are one and the same. This is how the citizens saw the world aswell when when the constituition was made. Do you honestly think the constituition was made so Christians couldn't vote based on thier viewpoint which reasonably and by the right granted by the constituition itself is made of?

Please read carefuly, read again if you have to...

About homosexuality.. you hardly said anything against what I told you... I guess you know just as I do that homosexuality truly is choice since people can turn from homosexual to straight and straight to homosexual. You made claims with no support in your last post.

Next, you give no support and "throw mud" at me, for a lack of better words. And you don't know the meaning of teh word discriminate... it means to unjustifiably differentaite. Under the constituition gives CHristianity and any other religion to treat people differently and its perfectly justifiable.

For those that are either confused or bothered, I'll explain... Are criminals treated differently from law-abiding citizens under the constituition? Everyone.. says of course. In a simailr way, the constituition gives people to practice thier religion which includes Christianity. In Christian beliefs, the Church can kick people out of the church and as a group reject people from Church. Why? ... Use your imagination... I'll give you a real life example. At a young adult group there was a guy who would try to seduce girls into sex. He was there for a while until the Patsor decided he wasn't serious about being a real Christian because his actions and attitude proved otherwise so he was kicked out... makes sense right? Of course it makes sense and only unreasonable people wouldn't think so. Now, when it comes to homosexuality... same thing, if a homosexual wants to stay in his sin and time passes by and heck the homosexual wants to get married with another gay man. The Church has every right to practice thier religion, granted by the constituition, to not let that happen and kick the homosexual out for not seriously facing his sin.

This is granted by the constituition. The word discrimiate is thrown around so often that a lot of people don't understand its meaning anymore.

Those people.. were those people. Lets keep on topic no? I can bring up Joseph Stalin.. North Korea who were athiests and Godless and look at them. A name is a name... the context, the meaning.. the inner truth is what really matters. Your last post had quite a bit of mud slinging. By the looks of it I won.... take care.

 



All gaming systems, consoles/PC, have thier perks... why fight over preferences? I like Coke and you like Pepsi, that's it, let's not fight over which toy we like best cause that's what they are. Is someone's preference in a toy important or is the relationship between you and your neighbor more important? Answer is obvious, but THE most important thing is your relationship with God almighty. God Bless you in Jesus's name.

I can communicate without talking... I can send a loved one money without actually sending money... and I can commit theft without the product disappearing, the point of theft is the point of theft not one of it's possible symptoms which is the product dissappearing. The thief wants to gain something without paying for it, that's the point of theft, the thief doesn't have to care or anybody else has to care if the product dissappears. The product dissappearing is just a possible symptom of theft. Gifts are sacrfices, in order to give a gift, it has to be a genuine sacrfice/gift, meaning a copy of the game isn't still in your PC. Piracy is theft and/or being a culprit of theft.