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Lafiel said:
why would you choose a random comment in the bible like "eye for an eye" over an actual commandment "though shalt not kill" ?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective to argue in favor of capital punishment by citing the bible is nothing but folly


Not to mention that the original word for "kill" applies to all forms of killing, not just humans.

Forget about sensical discussions based on bibilical statements.



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dsgrue3 said:
Life sentence of 80 years for 1 inmate costs approximately $4,000,000 in taxpayer monies.

It's way too expensive to keep prisoners alive who are serving life sentences. They also get full healthcare.

Exterminate the cretins and do away with victimless crimes.

Just wasteful an unnecessary usage of tax dollars.

$4m ?

That would be more than an average worker would earn lifetime. Sounds like a bit too much but I agree that it's definitely expensive.

EDIT: Found some numbers from 2004.
Average annual costs of an inmate is $22,600 a year, so that would be $1.8m in 80 years (which is unrealistic since that would be far from the average a lifetime inmate would spend in prison)
life expectancy for an 18 year old male would be around 74 years (a bit lower but I don't find the exact number), so if he gets a life long sentence he will be in prison for 56 years on average, which would then be $1.2m (using the 2004 numbers)



Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
why would you choose a random comment in the bible like "eye for an eye" over an actual commandment "though shalt not kill" ?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective to argue in favor of capital punishment by citing the bible is nothing but folly


Not to mention that the original word for "kill" applies to all forms of killing, not just humans.

Forget about sensical discussions based on bibilical statements.

Exactly, by basing their argumentation on bible quotes people feel what they say is justified by "god", which ofcourse is rubbish and can't lead to any productive discussion.

Btw as another clueless person from Germany I personally think (and I hope you forgive me for voicing my opinion) a rigorous birth control programm might be a promising way to "save" Africa over time (that's a fairly lengthy process), as a good deal of the problems seem to stem from overpopulation. Ofcourse Europe and NA and so on have to take the risk to establish bilateral dependencies with Africa aswell, instead of just exploiting the continent.



dsgrue3 said:

Wow, it's very clear you are governed by your emotions instead of rational thought.

Not really much more to say.

Not feeling emotions regarding a topic that deals directly with human lives is not... Well, human. I'm certainly not going to apologize for this.

I did give rational arguments though... You could argue that they're rooted on my own moral views, sure, but that doesn't make them irrational.

In any case, wouldn't it be better to just respond with your own opposing views on the matter instead of attempting to belittle my views with that remark ? Isn't that what a rational person would do ?    



Lafiel said:
Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
why would you choose a random comment in the bible like "eye for an eye" over an actual commandment "though shalt not kill" ?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective to argue in favor of capital punishment by citing the bible is nothing but folly


Not to mention that the original word for "kill" applies to all forms of killing, not just humans.

Forget about sensical discussions based on bibilical statements.

Exactly, by basing their argumentation on bible quotes people feel what they say is justified by "god", which ofcourse is rubbish and can't lead to any productive discussion.

Btw as another clueless person from Germany I personally think (and I hope you forgive me for voicing my opinion) a rigorous birth control programm might be a promising way to "save" Africa over time (that's a fairly lengthy process), as a good deal of the problems seem to stem from overpopulation. Ofcourse Europe and NA and so on have to take the risk to establish bilateral dependencies with Africa aswell, instead of just exploiting the continent.


I'm 100% with you!

But apparantly it's a violation of human rights or some other BS like that.

There are too many children born into poverty here.



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Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
why would you choose a random comment in the bible like "eye for an eye" over an actual commandment "though shalt not kill" ?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective to argue in favor of capital punishment by citing the bible is nothing but folly


Not to mention that the original word for "kill" applies to all forms of killing, not just humans.

Forget about sensical discussions based on bibilical statements.

Exactly, by basing their argumentation on bible quotes people feel what they say is justified by "god", which ofcourse is rubbish and can't lead to any productive discussion.

Btw as another clueless person from Germany I personally think (and I hope you forgive me for voicing my opinion) a rigorous birth control programm might be a promising way to "save" Africa over time (that's a fairly lengthy process), as a good deal of the problems seem to stem from overpopulation. Ofcourse Europe and NA and so on have to take the risk to establish bilateral dependencies with Africa aswell, instead of just exploiting the continent.


I'm 100% with you!

But apparantly it's a violation of human rights or some other BS like that.

There are too many children born into poverty here.

It worked in China, the 1 child policy stopped 400 million extra people from existing today. Africa is already on 1 billion people with many of it's countries having 4 to 6 people per mother. Something must be done. Earth can't sustain much more people than there are now.  



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the2real4mafol said:
Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
why would you choose a random comment in the bible like "eye for an eye" over an actual commandment "though shalt not kill" ?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective to argue in favor of capital punishment by citing the bible is nothing but folly


Not to mention that the original word for "kill" applies to all forms of killing, not just humans.

Forget about sensical discussions based on bibilical statements.

Exactly, by basing their argumentation on bible quotes people feel what they say is justified by "god", which ofcourse is rubbish and can't lead to any productive discussion.

Btw as another clueless person from Germany I personally think (and I hope you forgive me for voicing my opinion) a rigorous birth control programm might be a promising way to "save" Africa over time (that's a fairly lengthy process), as a good deal of the problems seem to stem from overpopulation. Ofcourse Europe and NA and so on have to take the risk to establish bilateral dependencies with Africa aswell, instead of just exploiting the continent.


I'm 100% with you!

But apparantly it's a violation of human rights or some other BS like that.

There are too many children born into poverty here.

It worked in China, the 1 child policy stopped 400 million extra people from existing today. Africa is already on 1 billion people with many of it's countries having 4 to 6 people per mother. Something must be done. Earth can't sustain much more people than there are now.  


The average IQ in Africa is about 40points less than in China so by the time they realize what the solution is it'll be too late.

There is zero foresight in this country.



Dr.Grass said:
the2real4mafol said:
Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
Dr.Grass said:
Lafiel said:
why would you choose a random comment in the bible like "eye for an eye" over an actual commandment "though shalt not kill" ?

I'm sorry, but from my perspective to argue in favor of capital punishment by citing the bible is nothing but folly


Not to mention that the original word for "kill" applies to all forms of killing, not just humans.

Forget about sensical discussions based on bibilical statements.

Exactly, by basing their argumentation on bible quotes people feel what they say is justified by "god", which ofcourse is rubbish and can't lead to any productive discussion.

Btw as another clueless person from Germany I personally think (and I hope you forgive me for voicing my opinion) a rigorous birth control programm might be a promising way to "save" Africa over time (that's a fairly lengthy process), as a good deal of the problems seem to stem from overpopulation. Ofcourse Europe and NA and so on have to take the risk to establish bilateral dependencies with Africa aswell, instead of just exploiting the continent.


I'm 100% with you!

But apparantly it's a violation of human rights or some other BS like that.

There are too many children born into poverty here.

It worked in China, the 1 child policy stopped 400 million extra people from existing today. Africa is already on 1 billion people with many of it's countries having 4 to 6 people per mother. Something must be done. Earth can't sustain much more people than there are now.  


The average IQ in Africa is about 40points less than in China so by the time they realize what the solution is it'll be too late.

There is zero foresight in this country.

and South Africa is supposed to be one of the more advanced countries in the continent. Not great. 



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the2real4mafol said:

and South Africa is supposed to be one of the more advanced countries in the continent. Not great. 


Unfortunately I cannot be straightforward here about the situation as it would seem quite racist.

For example, you might find that the scientific research going on here isn't too shabby, until you realize that without the european influence it would be completely nonexistent.



Dr.Grass said:
the2real4mafol said:

and South Africa is supposed to be one of the more advanced countries in the continent. Not great. 


Unfortunately I cannot be straightforward here about the situation as it would seem quite racist.

For example, you might find that the scientific research going on here isn't too shabby, until you realize that without the european influence it would be completely nonexistent.

That might be why so many African countries fucked their economies up when the Europeans left in the 1950's and 1960's. They had no idea how they worked because they weren't shown how to because of how we Europeans treated them. Also, before we arrived they still lived in tribes mostly. Very different to how Europeans lived. 



Xbox One, PS4 and Switch (+ Many Retro Consoles)

'When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called the people's stick'- Mikhail Bakunin

Prediction: Switch will sell better than Wii U Lifetime Sales by Jan 1st 2018