I am with you about the elder scrolls. The elder scrolls is one of the best series at story telling. The way the series created a big world and a ton of lore for it all count is incredible. We have a lot of races and a lot of stories inside it. Maybe the main storyline isn't that mindblowing but the exceptional world and background the people at bethesda created is very praise worthy.

As for uncharted... I don't think they are random Hollywood movies, I mean the story may be very cliched and generic but it's the characters, gameplay and set pieces that make it a stellar gamec. The story is not so great but for the way it's presented is stunning :)

I'm glad you appreciate the story telling of Elder Scrolls!

With Uncharted I didn't mean literally a "random" Hollywood movie. I meant more like Hollywood box-office blockblusters, like the Marvel movies or Pirates of The Caribbean. Everything in the story works and it's entertaining but there's nothing deep or original and it's not particularly memorable.

I admit, it was meant to be a provocative comment, to get your attention, not that the storytelling is TES games is horrible, but still in my opinion weak. For two main reasons for me:

1.The exact Open World structure. It makes the story inconsistent for me, because I'm doing a main story related quest, finish it, and then go for making something else, because I have the opportunity, so I fall out of the story, cause I have to help citizens in a city or whatever, and only then after some time get back to the main quest. So it lacks continuity, of course because of my playing style, but I'm not going to change it.

2.Very flat, forgettable characters. Oblivion for me had like two-three important characters: Martin Septim (who was a very weak protagonist), and Gray Fox whose story was cool. Other than that? I don't know, Sinderion comes to mind, probably because gathering the nirnroots was such a pain in the ass. Skyrim was a bit better in this regard, having more complex characters, and a bit more tricky conflict with Ulfric Stormcloak, and this old dude from High Hrothgar being most memorable for me, plus Paarthurnax (if I spell it correctly) and Alduin. Both games also have highlights in Daedra Princes who have some personality, but are also very fixated on one trait.

Stories being consistent in Uncharted games, thanks to being linear and continous by principle, plus the fact that I can enumerate more memorable characters, both antagonists and protagonists in every single one of the Uncharted entries speaks volumes. Also the stories are solid, consistent, sometimes surprising, and entertaining, which is enough to easily beat TES games in terms of story, cause even though I've spent probably aprox 10 times more time in the worlds of TES games than in Uncharted games, I have yet to meet a character that I feel is emotionally moving or really likeable and defined by an interesting story. So yeah I agree it grips for a few hours or days, but leaves me with a way stronger emotions, while TES games, make me immersed for way longer, but never strongly, emotionally involved.

Plus, at least in my opinion, the most story related quests, so main quests, were simply weak per se. Especially the Oblivion one. Strong division between the good guys and the bad guys, the main character (Martin Septim) being very flat in terms of personality, one sided, and seriously going from being a monk, to become the heir of Septim dynasty, without second thoughts? That itself made the character a joke for me. The same with having the main unnamed character (Hero of Kvatch? really?) not even speaking a word is a turn off. Skyrim's story was definitely better, more complex. We had a civil war, with legitimate reasons going for both sides, also the division between the good  and bad guys wasn't very clear. The Aldmeri Dominion, was drawed as too much evil for me, but the rest was good. Also the dragonborn story was decent, with greybeards being divided in their stance on what to do with Alduin, changing their attitude whether to let him destroy the world and make this "purge" and the blades, and dragonborn desprerate to kill him was interesting. But still those stories weren't mindblowing.

Yeah it is not exactly original and even my father mistook parts of the game and tought they where trailers for an upcoming movie XDD. Anyway yeah even tough the story isn't that great you should try them! At least the gameplay is cool and the multiplayer is very awesome. Especially in Uncharted 3 as it supports local co-op and I love local multiplayer :)

Actually I'm one of the biggest critics of Uncharted gameplay. The story and presentation is its biggest strengths. Gameplay not so much.

I have played the first two Uncharteds and I own UC3.

I enjoy them for what they are. Instead of watching a Pirates of the Caribbean movie I can play Nathan Drake (and since Uncharted games are much longer than a movie I can justify paying $25 for them). It's okay entertainment for the moment but when I leave the console I'm not anxious to get more. I don't get engulfed by the game and when it's over it ceases to exist in my mind.

Don's speak badly about Martin Septim. I love him. He is so gentle and lovable.

Again that's an argument people use often about Elder Scrolls, that the characters aren't memorable. That's true, I can't name but a few characters of Oblivion even though I've speant nearly 2,000 hours on the game. But to me it's the whole picture that matters, the world, the setting and the characters and stories interwoven in that world.

The Uncharted cast is certainly easy to remember. But did they move me? Not in the slightest. Nathan is a character who is easy to like, but he is also trivial. The whole world in Uncharted is trivial. There's no weight to anything, if you know what I mean.

I don't know if you understand. Perhaps someone understands.

It's like, I watch Pirates of the Caribbean and Johnny Depp's character is funny and likeable and all but the whole thing is trivial. It's just light-hearted and superficial and doesn't feel real. It doesn't penetrate my mind, it doesn't become part of me. While The Lord of the Rings is serious and emotionally engaging.

Sure I know what you mean, Uncharted is based on blockbuster adventure, mainstream "popcorn" movies. And you could call it trivial, sure it's light-hearted and doesn't even try to feel real (The Last of Us does that). Although I would argue, that they tried to raise some more serious matters especially in Uncharted 3, and to an extent Uncharted 2, like for example: what drives Drake to this fortune hunting, how far will he go to reach his goals, what makes him different from the antagonists, it also brings such topics like trust, love, friendship, human endurance. But yeah the overall feel of the game, mostly because of Drake's personality, which is humorous and light-hearted, but the stories aren't all that trivial.

I guess it's also a matter of personal preference. It looks that you like those epic, fantasy settings that are more about heroism, sacrifice, fraternity, fighting the evil. As much as I like both TES games (although my 550 hours IV & V combined is peanuts compared to yours *_*) and LotR I also didn't necessarily get this emotionally engaging feel in the long run, those were just playing on different emotions while they lasted. That's at least how I feel.