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disolitude on 24 June 2013
morenoingrato said:
Wii 2.

Wii 2.

Would have been so easy...


I was thinking more like Nintendo Gameglass or somet other spin on tablet gaming...



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biglittlesps on 24 June 2013
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...


Also consider the price advantage the Wii had against PS3 and 360, I would say that atleast 30% of Wii consoles sold only because of the price point so i would say PS3 is the best console this gen since it did 78 million with big price point which is really great.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

Veknoid_Outcast on 24 June 2013
disolitude said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I have to disagree. I think the "Wii" brand is very strong and very much a household name. In some ways it's actually stronger than "Nintendo." Divorcing its new console from the Wii brand would have been a big mistake for Nintendo.

However, Nintendo could have done something more pedestrian with the name, like Wii 2.

I've heard for the 10th+ time today from people that have the Wii (and aren't "gamers" at all) that the WiiU looks cool but they already have a tablet called iPad and Wii so there is no point of them getting WiiU. Its something that stuck with me as a major shortfall for Nintendo... If these "casuals"  people who bought the Wii in masses can't tell that WiiU is a brand new console and offers new experiences, plays new games... and they think that the iPad + Wii do the same, I am not sure having this "Wii" branding was wise to begin with. 

I also think Wii left a very sour taste in the ouths for core gamers who may have bought it as they were starved for quality software... So having "Wii" on the box isn't doing favors with either crowd.

Casuals: WiiU = ipad + Wii

Core gamers: WiiU = lack of software support

Only one of those is true for the WiiU.

I think it's dangerous to extrapolate such a small sample size.

In any event, I just can't imagine any company moving away from a brand that sold 100 million units, even if some of those units went to "casuals."



disolitude on 24 June 2013
biglittlesps said:
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...


Also consider the price advantage the Wii had against PS3 and 360, I would say that atleast 30% of Wii consoles sold only because of the price point so i would say PS3 is the best console this gen since it did 78 million with big price point which is really great.

Good point.

So is it possible that the similar situation may still happen with WiiU being 249-349 (199-299 this holiday most likely) and PS4Xb1 being 399-499?



biglittlesps on 24 June 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
disolitude said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I have to disagree. I think the "Wii" brand is very strong and very much a household name. In some ways it's actually stronger than "Nintendo." Divorcing its new console from the Wii brand would have been a big mistake for Nintendo.

However, Nintendo could have done something more pedestrian with the name, like Wii 2.

I've heard for the 10th+ time today from people that have the Wii (and aren't "gamers" at all) that the WiiU looks cool but they already have a tablet called iPad and Wii so there is no point of them getting WiiU. Its something that stuck with me as a major shortfall for Nintendo... If these "casuals"  people who bought the Wii in masses can't tell that WiiU is a brand new console and offers new experiences, plays new games... and they think that the iPad + Wii do the same, I am not sure having this "Wii" branding was wise to begin with. 

I also think Wii left a very sour taste in the ouths for core gamers who may have bought it as they were starved for quality software... So having "Wii" on the box isn't doing favors with either crowd.

Casuals: WiiU = ipad + Wii

Core gamers: WiiU = lack of software support

Only one of those is true for the WiiU.

I think it's dangerous to extrapolate such a small sample size.

In any event, I just can't imagine any company moving away from a brand that sold 100 million units, even if some of those units went to "casuals."

Yes, but they did a big mistake of not bringing any content which benefits second screen in excited way with their First party titles, also they should have tried something new along with this but they thought people will buy Wii U like wii did so they lost this time very big.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

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Mythmaker1 on 24 June 2013

I've gone on at length as to why I don't necessarily agree, So I don't really feel the need to reiterate it all here.

To me, the biggest problems with the Wii U are:

-Nintendo was not prepared to launch the console. The games, both first-party and third, simply were not there, and they still aren't.

-The Gamepad is a solution looking for a problem, and hasn't demonstrated a strong enough justification to buy.

-Nintendo's expectations were severely over-optimistic. And still are, if they really expect to sell 9 million units this year (I expect to see that revised at the end of the quarter).



I believe in honesty, civility, generosity, practicality, and impartiality.

blkfish92 on 24 June 2013
disolitude said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I have to disagree. I think the "Wii" brand is very strong and very much a household name. In some ways it's actually stronger than "Nintendo." Divorcing its new console from the Wii brand would have been a big mistake for Nintendo.

However, Nintendo could have done something more pedestrian with the name, like Wii 2.

I've heard for the 10th+ time today from people that have the Wii (and aren't "gamers" at all) that the WiiU looks cool but they already have a tablet called iPad and Wii so there is no point of them getting WiiU. Its something that stuck with me as a major shortfall for Nintendo... If these "casuals"  people who bought the Wii in masses can't tell that WiiU is a brand new console and offers new experiences, plays new games... and they think that the iPad + Wii do the same, I am not sure having this "Wii" branding was wise to begin with. 

I also think Wii left a very sour taste in the ouths for core gamers who may have bought it as they were starved for quality software... So having "Wii" on the box isn't doing favors with either crowd.

Casuals: WiiU = ipad + Wii

Core gamers: WiiU = lack of software support

Only one of those is true for the WiiU.


Completly agree with you, so enjoy this as you have my support. I've been saying this since hearing the name to begin with to boot.



           

disolitude on 24 June 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
disolitude said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I have to disagree. I think the "Wii" brand is very strong and very much a household name. In some ways it's actually stronger than "Nintendo." Divorcing its new console from the Wii brand would have been a big mistake for Nintendo.

However, Nintendo could have done something more pedestrian with the name, like Wii 2.

I've heard for the 10th+ time today from people that have the Wii (and aren't "gamers" at all) that the WiiU looks cool but they already have a tablet called iPad and Wii so there is no point of them getting WiiU. Its something that stuck with me as a major shortfall for Nintendo... If these "casuals"  people who bought the Wii in masses can't tell that WiiU is a brand new console and offers new experiences, plays new games... and they think that the iPad + Wii do the same, I am not sure having this "Wii" branding was wise to begin with. 

I also think Wii left a very sour taste in the ouths for core gamers who may have bought it as they were starved for quality software... So having "Wii" on the box isn't doing favors with either crowd.

Casuals: WiiU = ipad + Wii

Core gamers: WiiU = lack of software support

Only one of those is true for the WiiU.

I think it's dangerous to extrapolate such a small sample size.

In any event, I just can't imagine any company moving away from a brand that sold 100 million units, even if some of those units went to "casuals."


I agree that it's not something anyone expected them to do and I don't think this is something they could have anticipated at all. WiiU should have launched in 2011, the latest. If they wanted to ride the success of the Wii and that brand, that was the last year where they could have delivered the hype needed for a new console with the same message. 

Unlike the Wii, I see WiiU as a very "core" centric machine...like the gamer has to utilize 2 screens with touch while they use the analogue sticks and buttons. This is not something Wii Sports party people could pick up immediatly. It doesn't have the casual appeal that the Wii had in 2006. With those casuals, they needed to strike while the Wii was hot... Gamers will pick it up eventually when the Marios, Zeldas, Bayonettas come out and price is 150-200 bucks.



biglittlesps on 24 June 2013
disolitude said:
biglittlesps said:
disolitude said:
TheLastStarFighter said:
Most of the people who bought the Wii are very knowledgeable about their console. They also enjoyed it and bought a lot of games.

Nothing wrong with expanding on the Wii brand. As was said by VO, however, they should have called it Wii 2. People love sequels, and associate higher numbers with something better. This would have been the same idea as Apple's iPhone 1, 2, 3.. and so on. People would love to buy the new, better version of Wii called Wii 2.

Regardless, the biggest problems with Wii U are a lack of must-have software, poor marketing, and strong value in the PS360. A lot of people were still buying PS360 and they still have great games coming out, and are cheaper.

Wii U needs a new marketing campaign that promotes it as a high-tech innovative new product and some great new games. The fall lineup should help, as should the killing off of PS360 with the arrival of the more expensive successors.

You really think that the majoity of Wii purchases were made by knowledgable gamers? I'm not saying that there aren't some, but if Wii didn't appeal to the casuals, party folks and people who saw Wii Sports and Wii Fit as games of choice...I see Wii selling a lot less than PS3 and 360 today. They'd lose half of the Wii sales easily without the blue ocean...


Also consider the price advantage the Wii had against PS3 and 360, I would say that atleast 30% of Wii consoles sold only because of the price point so i would say PS3 is the best console this gen since it did 78 million with big price point which is really great.

Good point.

So is it possible that the similar situation may still happen with WiiU being 249-349 (199-299 this holiday most likely) and PS4Xb1 being 399-499?


Yes, this is what the Nintendo plan was for releasing the console a year before so they could drop the prices when the new consoles arrive even though they are not ready with software. However, they are not going to get enough sales this time becoz new consoles are marketed very well with internet and everybody can afford 400-500$ easily due to mobile market which made them addicted to buy new 200-700$ hardware every 3-6 months.



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

disolitude on 24 June 2013
Mythmaker1 said:
I've gone on at length as to why I don't necessarily agree, So I don't really feel the need to reiterate it all here.

To me, the biggest problems with the Wii U are:

-Nintendo was not prepared to launch the console. The games, both first-party and third, simply were not there, and they still aren't.

-The Gamepad is a solution looking for a problem, and hasn't demonstrated a strong enough justification to buy.

-Nintendo's expectations were severely over-optimistic. And still are, if they really expect to sell 9 million units this year (I expect to see that revised at the end of the quarter).

I do agree with you and those are all mistakes for sure... But they are all mistakes in attracting the "core" gamer. Nintendo for a while didn't need core gamers at all. They were riding high on selling Wii Fit and Wii Sports, and every party, executive launge and stay at home mom wanted a Wii.

They couldn't attract that crowd with the premise WiiU was bringing to the table since its way too complicated, and core gamers weren't really dazzled by the Wii post 2011.

I honestly think Nintendo would have been better off if they made WiiU all black with metal spikes and called it "Nintendo Game time bitch". They are going for the core gamers with an image that is associated with casuals...on top of no standout games and all that stuff you've outlined.