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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - To those who supported DRM-Xbone because of 'Game Sharing'... it was a cop out

Brutalyst on 20 June 2013

If anyone really thought MS were gonna let you buy a game then 10 people could all play it for free... they are delusional



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noname2200 on 20 June 2013

I wonder if we'll ever have that post authenticated.



makingmusic476 on 20 June 2013
noname2200 said:
I wonder if we'll ever have that post authenticated.


cboat confirmed it on gaf.

As the prophet has spoken, thus it is to be.  Or was to be, in this case.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598291

Plus, if you reread MS PR prior to the removal of DRM, they were actually fairly upfront about having a limit on play time, though it was worded vaguely enough for people to assume something better was the case for the family plan:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65184146#post65184146

Plus, Major Nelson kept saying things like his son could "check out" the latest Halo he bought.  He always used the terminology "check out".  Implying it would only be allowed breifly.  And he'd make weird comparisons to libraries, further implying time limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65215121#post65215121



noname2200 on 21 June 2013
makingmusic476 said:
noname2200 said:
I wonder if we'll ever have that post authenticated.


cboat confirmed it on gaf.

As the prophet has spoken, thus it is to be.  Or was to be, in this case.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=598291

Plus, if you reread MS PR prior to the removal of DRM, they were actually fairly upfront about having a limit on play time, though it was worded vaguely enough for people to assume something better was the case for the family plan:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65184146#post65184146

Plus, Major Nelson kept saying things like his son could "check out" the latest Halo he bought.  He always used the terminology "check out".  Implying it would only be allowed breifly.  And he'd make weird comparisons to libraries, further implying time limits.

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=65215121#post65215121

Thanks for the links! I have to admit I was stunned when they first announced the program. Should've known there'd be a major asterisk!



theprof00 on 21 June 2013

That was the best feature of xbone. How do I know? It was the single reason I wanted one.
I also stipulated everytime I said "I will buy an xbox one", only if this was true. Everyone kept saying it's true, you're a troll, etc etc.
Find out it's not true. Wayyyy too good to be true. Why? It's really the only thing that's consumer friendly about the xb1.



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VGKing on 21 June 2013
Zkuq said:
That's the post that screams 'fake' all over it? Either that, or MS employees live in another reality.

Whether or not the post is real doesn't matter. The info in there has been confirmed as true by NeoGafs very own CBOAT.



g911turbo on 21 June 2013

With big companies like Microsoft and Sony (yes Sony too): Hope for the best, but assume the worst.

Looks like the reversal of DRM is a good thing, plain and simple. Timed demos my ASS!



disolitude on 21 June 2013

Anywho, I didn't care about this sharing as much as other people. It would be nice but whatever.

I just wanted my library to be all digital and to be tied to me not my hardware or a disk. People will say "you can still do that if you buy digital"...and its true. However now you can't enjoy cheap game sales at best buy but have to pay the price on Xbox live. You can't avoid birthday /christmas gifts from cousins that give you retail games. You are bound to get disks in your library and those will never be part of your cloud library tied to you...they will just be on a disk rotting in a basement somewhere 10 years later.



S.T.A.G.E. on 21 June 2013
g911turbo said:
With big companies like Microsoft and Sony (yes Sony too): Hope for the best, but assume the worst.

Looks like the reversal of DRM is a good thing, plain and simple. Timed demos my ASS!


Never had to assume the worst with Nintendo or Sony. Microsoft on the other hand if they bring something like Xbox Live gold into the gaming industry restrictions and profiteering will commence.



J_Allard on 21 June 2013
Brutalyst said:

So have seen alot of people who say that MS 180 and reversing the DRM Xbonx to that of a normal console is a 'travesty'

Most cite the phenomenal 'Game Sharing' ability that now wont be available.

 

I said a long time ago, why didnt MS push this more? it was a good idea... well they didnt push it because it was just a glorified Demo.

Here is a link to a post from one of the people responsible for it...

http://www.heyuguysgaming.com/news/12507/heartbroken-xbox-one-employee-lets-rip-must-read

For those who think TLDR, here is an exert of the important part

 

First is family sharing, this feature is near and dear to me and I truly felt it would have helped the industry grow and make both gamers and developers happy. The premise is simple and elegant, when you buy your games for Xbox One, you can set any of them to be part of your shared library. Anyone who you deem to be family had access to these games regardless of where they are in the world. There was never any catch to that, they didn’t have to share the same billing address or physical address it could be anyone. When your family member accesses any of your games, they’re placed into a special demo mode. This demo mode in most cases would be the full game with a 15-45 minute timer and in some cases an hour. This allowed the person to play the game, get familiar with it then make a purchase if they wanted to. When the time limit was up they would automatically be prompted to the Marketplace so that they may order it if liked the game. 

 

 

Still gonna miss that DRM-Xbone?

How is it a cop-out to support something based on the information you have been told? Most of us (virtually everyone here that I saw supporting family sharing) were supporting it while also waiting for the hammer to drop on the restrictions and everything. There are a lot of posts and threads here lately basically celebrating the crow that a lot of Family Sharing people are supposed to be eating. I don't remember anyone blindly supporting it and believing it to work 100% as presented. We were given information to believe people could share the games. We expected there to be restrictions. The games being shared actually being nothing more than demos, is not a restriction.. it's a different feature entirely.

If you're implying the cop-out is on MS's end.. I am not taking anything said as fact. So far we have a random pastebin post, and a post from an insider on GAF who has been right and wrong plenty implying that it was just 1 hour locked demos you can play once then have to buy the game. On the other hand we have a dude from Polygon.com, Aaron Greenburg from MS, and sources in a Verge article claiming that no, it was more than 1 hour demos and that the rumors are wrong.

Did a vast majority of us expect to be able to log on and play each others games whenever we want with no restrictions? No. But even with some restrictions, was it still an awesome feature worth being excited about? Hell yes. Take, for example, the Verge article. It says there was a one hour limit, but your progress is saved, and you can continue playing for another hour after being prompted to buy. This is a restriction. But it still sounds very good. As the article says, basically a Pandora for consoles.

And it is a travesty that some original ideas in the industry are being killed off because gamers are afraid of change. Actually maybe it's more sad than a travesty.