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happydolphin on 21 June 2013
LordMatrix said:

Really?? Seems to me there are plenty of great titles coming to both X360 & PS3. As for lack of exclusive midway through this generation... simple... Sony already had tons of in house developers while Microsoft around that same time was in the process of building up their in house studios.

Since 2008 Microsoft has added Press Play, Twisted Pixel, Black Tusk Studios, Soho Productions, Lift London, BigPark, Microsoft Studios Victoria & Microsoft Studios Osaka. That`s at least 8 studios built from the ground up or purchased outright since 2007.

Sony on the other hand during this same timeframe has been shutting down a good chunk of studios but also had tons more considering their one generation head start on Microsoft.

Studios are great but the end of cycle games can't compare. TLoU + Beyond2Souls + GT6 versus Gears of war 4?

http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-360-vs-ps3-2013-exclusives-comparison



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0815user on 21 June 2013

geeez.... i bet this guy owns some microsoft stocks and tries to influence investors with way too optimistic assumptions to create profit for himself.



teigaga on 21 June 2013
Carl2291 said:
It will match it in America. Maybe even beat it if supply is there.

Worldwide though? Not even close.


Pretty much this! X1 stands no chance against th ps4 in Europe which has been showing itself to be a fairly bigger  market for hardware sales than NA.



platformmaster918 on 21 June 2013
LordMatrix said:
happydolphin said:
platformmaster918 said:
Well PS4 was going to sell more anyway once those prices were revealed. Also Playstation had a horrendous start at the beginning of this gen by being $200 and a year late. Both of those advantages are gone for Xbox and the price has actually become a disadvantage which I didn't see coming. PS4 is also more powerful and PS+ is obviously a better value than Live. Also many were not fond of MS's late gen support so they had some bad relations going already. I think MS will now sell more in the US for this gen maybe but other than that I don't see how you do better without having an advantage in the 2 most important areas (games and price). Also 20 exclusives in the first year to 15 is another PS advantage.

Some great points in here, especially the weak end-of-cycle support for the 360 compared to the PS3. I'm not sure why manufacturers aren't aware of some of these basics at times.


Really?? Seems to me there are plenty of great titles coming to both X360 & PS3. As for lack of exclusive midway through this generation... simple... Sony already had tons of in house developers while Microsoft around that same time was in the process of building up their in house studios.

Since 2008 Microsoft has added Press Play, Twisted Pixel, Black Tusk Studios, Soho Productions, Lift London, BigPark, Microsoft Studios Victoria & Microsoft Studios Osaka. That`s at least 8 studios built from the ground up or purchased outright since 2007.

Sony on the other hand during this same timeframe has been shutting down a good chunk of studios but also had tons more considering their one generation head start on Microsoft.

Sony said they had 20 titles in development for PS4 from first party 12 of which were new IP.  MS said they had 15 with 8 new IP.  That's pretty straight numbers for their production.  Look at the support for their final year at the forefront for the 7th gen consoles.  PS3=Sly, NiNoKuni, GoW, LoU, Puppeteer, GT6, Beyond 2 Souls while 360=Gears and some Live stuff that people only talk about because there are no blockbusters coming (PS has plenty of great online titles like Guacamele).




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MoHasanie on 21 June 2013
0815user said:
geeez.... i bet this guy owns some microsoft stocks and tries to influence investors with way too optimistic assumptions to create profit for himself.


That's actually a really good theory, except Microsoft investors don't really care about Xbox. 



    

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sales2099 on 21 June 2013
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Pachter is a grade-A moron.

Back on topic: I just don't see this happening. $100 is a lot of money, plus the Xbox brand took a severe beating.

In 2006 the $200 gap was a lot of money, and Sony got nothing but bad news leading up to the PS3 launch. Jus saying



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Veknoid_Outcast on 21 June 2013
sales2099 said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
Pachter is a grade-A moron.

Back on topic: I just don't see this happening. $100 is a lot of money, plus the Xbox brand took a severe beating.

In 2006 the $200 gap was a lot of money, and Sony got nothing but bad news leading up to the PS3 launch. Jus saying

Well things could change in 2015 or 2016. Maybe Microsoft cuts its price and makes some "killer apps" and maybe Sony makes a couple bone-headed business decisions.

But right now, with the information we have, I think it's safe to say that PS4 will outsell Xbox One. The systems share many of the same games, but the PS4 is cheaper and it has more momentum. Plus all the bad press won't evaporate just because Microsoft reversed its policies overnight. I still hold a lot of bad feelings toward Microsoft; I'm sure I'm not the only one.



Heavenly Sigma on 21 June 2013

Breaking even in the U.S. would be very good for the PS4 and would lead to a global dominance for the coming year.



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LordMatrix on 21 June 2013
happydolphin said:
LordMatrix said:

Really?? Seems to me there are plenty of great titles coming to both X360 & PS3. As for lack of exclusive midway through this generation... simple... Sony already had tons of in house developers while Microsoft around that same time was in the process of building up their in house studios.

Since 2008 Microsoft has added Press Play, Twisted Pixel, Black Tusk Studios, Soho Productions, Lift London, BigPark, Microsoft Studios Victoria & Microsoft Studios Osaka. That`s at least 8 studios built from the ground up or purchased outright since 2007.

Sony on the other hand during this same timeframe has been shutting down a good chunk of studios but also had tons more considering their one generation head start on Microsoft.

Studios are great but the end of cycle games can't compare. TLoU + Beyond2Souls + GT6 versus Gears of war 4?

http://www.examiner.com/article/xbox-360-vs-ps3-2013-exclusives-comparison


takes time to build up good developer talent. Last of Us and Beyond 2 Souls I agree with but forza is hands down the better sim game compared to Gran Turismo.

One of points is that most of Sony`s development studios have been around for years while the majority of Microsoft`s are just a few years old at best.

My other point is that Sony has had longer to build up good development studios longer than Microsoft. It takes time for development studios to produce games and considering most of Microsoft`s were formed within the last few years it is no surprise that they had a larger amount of exclusives late in this generation. If you look at X360 up to 2007 there were more timed exclusives and third party exclusives overall during that time and also they closed major studios like FASA Studios and Ensemble Studios during that time as well.



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Imaginedvl on 21 June 2013
green_sky said:
So are they back on track to sell close to half a billion consoles. http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/05/24/microsoft-over-1-billion-next-gen-consoles-will-be-sold

Yep!