@ikilledkenny, do you need a GLASSES?
Games in BOLD are EXCLUSIVE for now. Games NOT in bold STILL COMING to PS3.
a) it`s abot last 10 years. Last 10 years MOST people were playing on PS consoles.
b) as for now sequel is supposed to be on PS console.
c) SotC did over 1 mln.

Folklore, Ratchet, Uncharted, HS, Warhawk, Lair, GT5:P, TC4, UT3.
DO same with THESE^ games, BECAUSE in December/January PS3 OUTSOLD x360. =) Do you HAVE any proves? For NOW, PLAYSTATION game SEQUEL is going to PS3, unless it`s announced to OHER platform.PSOne - RE, SH, GT, FF, MGS, Tekken and etc.
N64 - zelda, mario, pokemons.

PS2 - RE, SH, GT, FF, MGS, Tekken, GTA and etc.
GC - zelda, mario, pokemons.

PS3 - RE, SH, GT, FF, MGS, Tekken, GTA, KZ, LBP and etc.
Wii - zelda, mario, pokemons, wii play, wii sport.

@Phalanx, LOL, i was going to watch Ocean 13, but this sh1t is so entertaining. =)))

CrazzyMan,

Your list is reasonably meaningless because it is a hodge-podge of series and genres, and the typicall PS2 owner would have only owned a few (or possibly none) of the games on your list. On top of that, many of the series on your list have not been announced for any platform and there is no reason to believe they are actually under development. If all that wasn't bad enough, there are also many games on your list which have poor track records for sales or quality.

With that said you still do not seem to recognize that (realistically) there are only (at best) about 10 Million people who are ever loyal to a particular platform, and (probably) only about 500,000 gamers who are loyal to a particular game series. What real motivation do these former PS2 owners, who are not loyal to the Playstation brand, have to buy a PS3 when many of their favourite series are available (potentially exclusively) on another platform?

Gran turismo 3 was bundled.

and I think some of the others were bundled in Europe.

43 games.
one guy buy 2-3 games of that list.
So that means minimum 14-21 guys needed to buy all NOT same games.
If every game sell atleast 500k WW on average, then it`s 7-10 mln. guys.
BUT C43^3 = 43!/3!(40!) = 43*42*41/3*2 with(SAME games) different combinations it`s 12341 guys.
or 12k*500k = 600 mln. guys. =)) But, that`s why, People buy MORE then 2-3 games of that list + also other games.

CrazzyMan said: Your list is reasonably meaningless because it is a hodge-podge of series and genres, and the typicall PS2 owner would have only owned a few (or possibly none) of the games on your list. On top of that, many of the series on your list have not been announced for any platform and there is no reason to believe they are actually under development. If all that wasn't bad enough, there are also many games on your list which have poor track records for sales or quality. 43 games. one guy buy 2-3 games of that list. So that means minimum 14-21 guys needed to buy all NOT same games. If every game sell atleast 500k WW on average, then it`s 7-10 mln. guys. BUT C43^3 = 43!/3!(40!) = 43*42*41/3*2 with(SAME games) different combinations it`s 12341 guys. or 12k*500k = 600 mln. guys. =)) But, that`s why, People buy MORE then 2-3 games of that list + also other games.

Once again, you attempt to apply a concept you simply don't understand ...

When someone talks about the "typical" PS2 owner they're refering to the (roughly) 60 Million gamers who do not fall into the "core" gamer category, and also do not fall into the casual gamer category. Core gamers are a massive force in sales per-user, and can buy (nearly) every good game released for a platform in its life; they tend to be early adopters and buy multiple systems.

A system (like the Gamecube, XBox, PS3 or XBox 360) can still have hundreds of games that break the 500,000 unit barrier without having a userbase over 20 Million users if it has a large portion of core gamers. Games that start breaking the 4 Million unit barrier tend to require the more typical gamers to take notice of the game, and buy it ... In general, these typical gamers only become interested in these games if they're high profile on a system they already own.

HappySqurriel,
Do you have a NUMBERS how many hardcore(gamers/fans) and casuals are on ps2?

So WHAT was your POINT? or just OPINION. =)

ikilledkenny said: Kingdom Hearts 3 will not be for PS3.

 Proof?  Or is it a feeling?  From what I know, it hasn't been confirmed for either console yet.

Crazzyman, you make this site worth posting on...

Fanatical111 said: The 360 will outsell the PS3 for various reasons in my opinion: 1. Business/Consumer Modelling In terms of business modelling, MS has done a fanatasic job gearing their product to a variety of consumers. Whether your interested in a shooter (Halo3), RPG (Mass Effect), JRPG (Lost Oddessy), Action RPG (Too Human) etc, there is a game for everyone. Sony does have several killer apps that will resident in sales, however, MS has a wider variety of great games. 2. Online As the console market gears more towards online gaming, MS will continue to have the edge. They are a software company and I am assured that they will always possess the superior online product. The integration of games is currently better then all the competition, in addition, developers are taking full advantage of this with DLC etc. Think about how many game demos the 360 has in comparison of the PS3. 3. Innovation Sony has developed an amazing piece of hardware, there is no doubt. However, in terms of gaming innovation they have not shown me anything yet. It is a fact that the PS3 costs about 2.5 to 3x more to develop for then that of the 360. For this reason, game developers can continue to create new franchises that would otherwise never be seen. In addition, due to the attach rate of the 360, they can almost be assured that there product will recoup its inital investment and be profitable. For example: -Too Human -Eternal Sonata (now multi) -Gears of War -Lost Oddessy -BioShock -Banjo Kaazoie 3 (Wasnt out last gen) -Mass Effect -Infinite Undiscovery -Alan Wake -Shadow Run -Halo Wars -Crackdown 4. Developer Support MS has attained a high level of support from a series of accalimed developers post in North America and abroad. Whether were talking about the giants being Square-Enix and Capcoms or the little guys such as MystWalker, all have stated that they will formally support the 360. If you recall back in the PS2 days, these developers were just beginning to form relationships with MS. Now that they have them, MS will continue to leverage support and continue to build its gaming library. 5. Who hasnt bought a console yet? If you havent already bought a PS3 or 360 I would consider you a "casual gamer". MS has a larger library of amazing games and that will only increase. As of today the PS3 has 2 games in the top 20 games that have been released, why would a "casual gamer" buy a product that has a less compelling lineup of games? Sure there is MGS4 and FF13 still coming but that takes there total to 4...to me still no reason to go and pick one up especially if I was a casual gamer.

"Point 1 has some merit, though I don't agree that the 360 has even CLOSE to a comprehensive library of games. (granted, the PS3's isn't too good either, but as far as diversity goes, it's WAY better than the 360s)

Point 2 is right about M$'s online being better than PS3s, but if Home has trophies and In-game XMB, than Xbox Live doesn't look too much better than PSN (and it has NOTHING on Resistance 2's 60 player online and 8 player co-op.) Also, as far DLC/demos go, most multi-plat content now comes out at similar times/quality (and PSN actually got the Turok demo before XBL) and this trend will continue toward equality. Also, as far a downloadable games go, the PSN Store kicks XBLA's ass for comparable times from launch because Sony didn't put a limit on how big games can be. (for example, SSHD requires more than 300MB of HDD space)

Point 3: not even going to comment on this blatant fanboyism

Point 4: ok, so M$ got support from some devs now that they FINALLY made a sort of decent console. Great.

Point 5: WTH???!! are you still stuck in last July or something?? Have you ever even LOOKED at the respective exclusive line-ups for 2008-2009? The PS3 is going to see a LOT more AAA exclusives than the 360 and most PS3 exclusives are already better than 360 exclusives. (Uncharted anyone?) And all the games coming out aren't hardcore FPSs like most AAA 360 exclusives are (excepting Mass Effect) Have you ever heard of GT5 or LBP? (LBP is hardcore, and so is Wii Sports and Viva Pinata. give me a break) You've got a point about the pricing thing, but in case you haven't heard, Sony only spends $400 to make a 40GB PS3. That means they could sell it for $150 and still lose less money per console than they did at launch. Also, if Sony pulls off a surprise $100 price drop before M$ can do their $50 price drop, the 360 will be in big trouble."

1. I agree that the PS3 does have more AAA line ups, however I disagree in terms of variety.  Some of you may call me insane which is ok, but if you look at 2007 and 2008 lineups I think it is very clear that MS brings more variety to the table.  They have an epic strategy game in Halo Wars, an Epic Action RPG in Too Human and Fable 2, an epic shooter in Huxley, and epic JRPG in Lost Oddessy and Infinite Undiscouvery, an epic platformer in Banjo etc.

 2. I highly doubt home will come close to live.  MS has spent millions of dollars on there online product and more so, is the primary developer of business software in the world.  They have the resources and money to set the industry standard and have already proven that there online product is a fully integrated solution for gamers.  Also pointing out your resistance comment, I am sure Huxley will provide the same experiance which is stated here http://www.huxleygame.com/forum/huxley-news/469-huxley-latest-interview-compliments-gamespot.html

In terms of downloadable content and functionality, wihtout a doubt the 360 is setting the standard.  The PS store cant even come close to offering the vast amount of software, movies, music, tv shows etc that the 360 can. 

 3.  The innovation comment was not to be a fanboy cause I am not, (I do have a PS3, PS2, and PSP :)) but to state that the 360 can continue to come up with new franchises that sell.  I am not saying that Uncharted didnt sell but just was not at the level of say Gears, BioShock or Mass Effect.  MS hasnt been in the marketing for as long as Nintendo or Sony and as such has had less time to establish a concreate base of games.  However, I am pleasently surprised that this gen, they have come out and will be coming out with so many good looking franchises to further carry there product.  It is a fact that the PS3 costs much more to develop for and as such, it wont be seeing as many new franchises but more apps based on the foundation that it has built for itself over the years (FF, MGS etc.).  Nothing wrong with that, just for me I like seeing new things and dont nessasry like following the same game base over and over again, I get bored.

5. The point I was trying to make was that if you havent already bought a PS3 and are a casual gamer, would you not go for the console that has a larger library of quality games? I mean yes there is MGS, LBP etc I completely agree with you, but cumulativly the 360 does have more titles in the top 50 games doesnt it?  I just think I was a casual gamer who didnt like specific franchises i would get a 360 just cause in my opinion it has so many games to choose from that are good if not great.

Fanatical111 said: It is a fact that the PS3 costs about 2.5 to 3x more to develop for then that of the 360.

Grammatical errors aside, stating that comment "is a fact" shows that you have absolutely no f***ing clue what you are talking about.

2.5 to 3x more??????

Jesus H. Christ.