The thing im not getting is everyone was demanding they remove it but when they do you all say well they cant be trusted now so still no x1 for me so then I must ask if you never were going to one why so much hate

And? At this time they believed they had good ideas with this stuff. And to me it was innovative and good but gamers seem to be conservative when it comes to gaming. I always thought we would be an open-minded community but it seems we are not. I am not saying my opinion is the only one - I just say I liked the idea of family-sharing but the masses didn't so they changed.

You can of course post now several statements of them to make them look, yeah, I don't know what you want them to look like but they changed it now - let's forget the past and say "Welcome aboard, MS. Fight for competition!".

bet sony wishing they had copyrighted the idea of owning your games...

Well, at first "yes, we changed it! hahaa!" And then "Oh damn, this could perhaps lead to a situation where Sony is not dominating... Damage control! Don't trust'em guys, don't trust'em! It's still M$! Believe in the holy Sony!"

Lower price would have happened in following years when devs get more money, just like Steam. Also, can you get a lower price than unlimited free games for up to ten people? No. This is a backwards step for MS. I'm happy for everyone who would have missed out otherwise but seriously... Console gaming needs to evolve.

I think funny a lot of people saying "Sony made MS changed", "MS changed die Sony fans", "the bad press made MS change", "the gamer forum community made MS changed", etc.

Bullshit.

The only thing that can make a company of the size of MS change is that they will profit less over a product in the future... that the point... MS just changed due a unique fact "they know people won't buy their console like it was before".

We need good inovations and not bad inovations.

Why not make the holy family sharing feature only for digital buyers and stay the offline disc based gaming for others... give the choice to the consumer... it is the best ideia.

I will try to give you a example...

Before AMD created the hybrid 32/64bits processor called x86_64 today... Intel tried several times to move to 64bits without success but the consumer didn't buy that... so AMD move for the future mantain the past and have the successs that Intel always wanted... I can say for sure if Intel or AMD create today a processor only 64bits nobody will complain about

It's the same case.

MS needs to try to move the things slowly and not changed everhing at the same time... try to make the inovations for these that buys digital titles and mantin the retail discs like it was today.

That my opinion about the subject.

And MS is in a way better position today than yesterday for sure and they mistakes for now was because they only looked at the themselves and the publishers... try to understand the consumers and makes the best way for the transition.

The Steam borrowing thing is a rumor based on a few lines of code. Not worth caring about until we get some details. And yeah you can gift some Steam games. If you have never played them. Regarding prices... Steam didn't launch with amazing prices. It took time for the sales and market shift to happen. It would have taken time on Xbone as well, if it were to happen. Convenience is subjective. I have a fast and very stable connection so no inconvenience here whatsoever. A pointless debate now though.

They all want to make money, Ethomaz. Sony, Nintendo, MS. They changed it to convince customers. This you can spin where you want it to be. Listening to pre-orders, listening to customers, listening to Sony, whatever. I think all are parts of the truth.

"We need good inovations and not bad inovations."

First of all, we need innovations. If they are good or bad has to be judged afterwards. For most it was a bad innovation so they changed it. Is this good for most? Yes.

"Why not make the holy family sharing feature only for digital buyers and stay the offline disc based gaming for others... give the choice to the consumer... it is the best ideia."

Perhaps they will in the future. By now it is like 360 and they should keep it a long time so people see they are not evil. Giving the share-option later is still an option for them.

"Before AMD created the hybrid 32/64bits processor called x86_64 today... Intel tried several times to move to 64bits without success but the consumer didn't buy that... so AMD move for the future mantain the past and have the successs that Intel always wanted... I can say for sure if Intel or AMD create today a processor only 64bits nobody will complain about "

Oh Ethomaz, that's a tough one :) I still think x86_64 was a quite bad decision. By the time it was implemented nobody needed it but AMD wanted to have an advantage over Intel with the buzzword "64 bits!". The existing 64-bit-processors weren't targeted to consumers and thanks to PAE we already had servers with more than 4 gb ram. Intel had to implement this crap also because software-companies already built hardware for x64 so yes, AMD introduced it. But I am still not happy with it... They really should've made a 64-bit-only processor with small capabilities to run ia32-software, not the other way round!

"MS needs to try to move the things slowly and not changed everhing at the same time... try to make the inovations for these that buys digital titles and mantin the retail discs like it was today."

I think there is enough time until launch so they can make a new strategy. But to me the best would be that they do it like with 360 now and implement other stuff afterwards.

Just to be clear :) that's my opinion and some ideias... right or wrong I don't know... maybe MS show us a amazing new ideia that satisfies everybody and I say "ohhhhh cool".

I know that I'm not the right guy to complain about any MS console because I won't buy it but the ideia to Sony move in the same path than MS give me "panic"... I don't want online checkins or the block of used games... I love collections and I thing the could needs to stay only in online games with my offiline sinle-player experience intact (I want to go to my parent home and play soccers games with by bothers at weekends... and my parents didn't have internet).

I'm a guy pro inovations since the inovances didn't funk what we alreay have.

PS. I'm a little emotional now because I finished The Walking Dead Game... just suck AMAZING experience that makes me ask "Jorney or The Waling Dead for my personal GOTY?"... I tried just the first two episodies last year... this year I bought the other three.

I know you are biased and so I am :) Nothing wrong with it. Still we have to see which drm publishers will implement but this will affect both Sony and MS, sadly. Let's hope it doesn't get worse! And yes, I love the Walking Dead game, too! Just finished the first episode because it was free on XBL but it's awesome! But what I like even more is "State of Decay" - go for the pc-release, the game is fun as hell!