A) I've heard people argue about plenty of fights between various characters. That doesn't mean the character's power is over or underrated.

B) Where in the comics does it say he is always holding back? The writers of the comic at any given time decide supes power level, that is why it fluctuates. Just like every other comic character in creation that has been portrayed by multiple writers.

C)DBZ character's physical attacks, as well as their durability are augmented by their ki. I don't know what manga you have read, or anime you have watched, but every characters physical abilities is directly related to their ki. They regularly destroy the lanscape around them before launching any type of energy attack. They get flung through mountains and survive. Nappa ripped through planes and ships as if it was nothing. That was way before their fights endangered the planets they took place on. They can survive in 400 x earths gravity + while training. I would say they are pretty freakin durable.

A) I've heard people argue about plenty of fights between various characters. That doesn't mean the character's power is over or underrated.

B) Where in the comics does it say he is always holding back? The writers of the comic at any given time decide supes power level, that is why it fluctuates. Just like every other comic character in creation that has been portrayed by multiple writers.

C)DBZ character's physical attacks, as well as their durability are augmented by their ki. I don't know what manga you have read, or anime you have watched, but every characters physical abilities is directly related to their ki. They regularly destroy the lanscape around them before launching any type of energy attack. They get flung through mountains and survive. Nappa ripped through planes and ships as if it was nothing. That was way before their fights endangered the planets they took place on. They can survive in 400 x earths gravity + while training. I would say they are pretty freakin durable.

A)  Sure it does?  Darth Vader is so ridiculiously over Wolverine it isn't even funny.  In general people wolverine can punch a lot higher out of his league then he really can.

B)  EVERYWHERE, that's pretty much his entire gimic.  That he lives ina  world made of stereofome.  

C) 400X Earths gravity is really nothing when talking about Herald level Superheros.  Again,  if dragonball Z characters had Superman level durability they'd never be hurt by each other, as there physical attacks really don't do any more noticeable damage then say.... Colossus from the X-men.

Superman has survived black holes.  Hell he's held black holes in his hand.

The center of a Black hole has INFINITE density.   Think about that for a second.  It's not that Dragonball Z characters are weak.  It's that your amazingly underestimating just how strong superman is.

The difference between Crisis and Pre-Crisis Superman isn't as big as most people think. 

A)If Wolverine can take on the Hulk, I think he can take on pretty much anyone. That is official cannon that he can go toe to toe with the hulk, and sometimes best him. Wolverine is very underrated compared to the feats he has acomplished.

B)You obviusly don't read the comics because Superman bruises, bleeds and breaks also. As long as you are strong enough, or posess magic, you can damage supes. Just like DBZ characters, you have to exert enough force to damage them, otherwise they are invulerable, just like supes. Like I stated before, Superman's abilities vary from writer to writer. Sometimes he can do the things you describe, sometimes he can't. It all depends on the current writers whim. Not your personal opinion. As you have stated earlier the DC universe isn't based in reality so saying because a black whole has infinite density (which I don't believe true, but I'm no scientist) is moot by your own standards. When you start writhing Superman comics, then you can start telling people Superman's powers and differences between all of the iterations. Until then it is speculation. Think about that for a second.

A) When has he ever won against the hulk?  He's hung with the hulk often in fights, due to his regeneration... butthe Hulk pretty much just stomps him.

In reality though, wolverine would get his shit handed to him by Spiderman.

B) He's had low end showings.  That happens in comic books.  Hell that happens in Dragonball Z.  Remember when krillin hits a sleeping Goku with a rock and goku freaks out like someone had just broken his leg.  In general, you go by what's more consinstantly shown.  Is Super Saiyan Goku really so weak that a rock will hurt him?

A) When has he ever won against the hulk?  He's hung with the hulk often in fights, due to his regeneration... butthe Hulk pretty much just stomps him.

In reality though, wolverine would get his shit handed to him by Spiderman.

B) He's had low end showings.  That happens in comic books.  Hell that happens in Dragonball Z.  Remember when krillin hits a sleeping Goku with a rock and goku freaks out like someone had just broken his leg.  In general, you go by what's more consinstantly shown.  Is Super Saiyan Goku really so weak that a rock will hurt him?

B2) Any scientist will tell you the center of a blackhole = infintie density.  Infinite Gravity too...

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/010912a.html

makes 400X earth's gravity look downright silly.

B2) Any scientist will tell you the center of a blackhole = infintie density.  Infinite Gravity too...

http://imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/ask_astro/answers/010912a.html

makes 400X earth's gravity look downright silly.

Density isn't the same as gravity and isn't directly related to gravity in any way. Also I think it is impossible to have infinite density because density is the measurement of the amount of matter in a given space. density=mass/volume. You can't have an infinite amount of matter in a defined amount of space. That matter, once it gets to a certain point is going to require more space.

Gravity is directly related to an objects mass. Therefore if you have a defined mass, you will have a defined gravitational force. That means you can't have infinite gravity without infinte mass. You can't have infinite mass without infinite space. I am no scientist, but this is the conclusion I come to using the science I have learned.

Density isn't the same as gravity and isn't directly related to gravity in any way. Also I think it is impossible to have infinite density because density is the measurement of the amount of matter in a given space. density=mass/volume. You can't have an infinite amount of matter in a defined amount of space. That matter, once it gets to a certain point is going to require more space.

Gravity is directly related to an objects mass. Therefore if you have a defined mass, you will have a defined gravitational force. That means you can't have infinite gravity without infinte mass. You can't have infinite mass without infinite space. I am no scientist, but this is the conclusion I come to using the science I have learned.