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Ckmlb1 said:
osed125 said:

According to CBOAT (the "god" of Neogaf, and by god I mean the most reliable source on the internet) says that MS was the one pushing DRM and the cloud thing, and that EA and Ubisoft were fully supporting it, with Activision being on the fence. 

If this guy is right (which he is 95% of the time) that means, at least at the beginning, EA and Ubisoft will be doing some sort of DRM, with other publishers who might follow suit later.

One thing doesn't imply the other. Whether or not EA and Ubisoft supported the DRM measures by Microsoft doesn't directly mean that their games are all going to be locked from second hand purchase and renting. If they do follow that path then people can decide to not buy their games and buy the games of their competitors on the system. There's already a backlash against Microsoft for their console choices, if EA and Ubisoft are the only companies blocking used games and rentals on the PS4, I'm sure that will result in a backlash of its own. 

Maybe, but we are underestimating the power of a brand. Imagine EA goes full on with DRM on all consoles, no used games at all. When Mass Effect 4 comes out, people are going to buy it, simple as that.

It's the same as DLC and online passes, people bitch about it all the time, but they are still getting it. That isn't stopping them from buying the game.

If publishers come out with offline DRM you will hear gamers complaining about it to no end, but they will get the game anyway. Publishers know this and they will take advantage of it.



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papamudd said:
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I think it is note worthy that the sentiment amongst publishers (?and developers) that DRM is necessary to save the industry has been proven wrong due to the overwhelming lack of support the X1 has with customers... Effectively DRM would do more harm than good. However, we should be able to gauge this better after Q4 sales

To be honest we do still buy the games with or with online passes and other DRM methods.. Sim City sold what.. like 1.5 million? the customers haven't really proved we don't like DRM cause our wallets speak louder then our words.. even iTunes has DRM yet it became a mega succes.. but like you said it will take some time to see if this is going to change console gaming forever.. I don't think after Q4 but after a year or 2.. With the release of some bigger games like Halo 5.. are people really not going to buy it because of this.. personally I doubt it..



 

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NiKKoM said:
Conegamer said:
Wouldn't surprise me. Publishers will likely get quite angry now.

But if they do go DRM, I can see the media turning on Sony. So it's going to be interesting...

neh.. we would only get a frowny face

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and after that everthing will be ok.. look at the paid multiplayer.. people frowned and that was that..

Pretty much. Microsoft already took the heat, now if someone else (namely third party publishers on PS4) does the same, it's going to be accepted as the new normal within a few days at most.

Whether or not more restrictive DRM comes to the PS4, it's not going to affect the current balance between the X1 and PS4. Microsoft dug a hole for themselves that is so deep that Sony could get away with almost everything now and the PS4 will still remain the first choice.



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osed125 said:
Ckmlb1 said:
osed125 said:

According to CBOAT (the "god" of Neogaf, and by god I mean the most reliable source on the internet) says that MS was the one pushing DRM and the cloud thing, and that EA and Ubisoft were fully supporting it, with Activision being on the fence. 

If this guy is right (which he is 95% of the time) that means, at least at the beginning, EA and Ubisoft will be doing some sort of DRM, with other publishers who might follow suit later.

One thing doesn't imply the other. Whether or not EA and Ubisoft supported the DRM measures by Microsoft doesn't directly mean that their games are all going to be locked from second hand purchase and renting. If they do follow that path then people can decide to not buy their games and buy the games of their competitors on the system. There's already a backlash against Microsoft for their console choices, if EA and Ubisoft are the only companies blocking used games and rentals on the PS4, I'm sure that will result in a backlash of its own. 

Maybe, but we are underestimating the power of a brand. Imagine EA goes full on with DRM on all consoles, no used games at all. When Mass Effect 4 comes out, people are going to buy it, simple as that.

It's the same as DLC and online passes, people bitch about it all the time, but they are still getting it. That isn't stopping them from buying the game.

If publishers come out with offline DRM you will hear gamers complaining about it to no end, but they will get the game anyway. Publishers know this and they will take advantage of it.

I wouldn't buy ME 4 if they did it and I owned the other 3 at some point. What about all the people switching from Xbox to PS4 because of the DRM stuff now? There's always other games to play, it's not like Mass Effect is the only game around. If they want Fifa there's PES as a replacement, if they want NBA Live there's NBA 2K and so on. EA has been losing a share of the market a while now, they stand to lose more of it if they do things that piss players off. 



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By not imposing DRM, Sony probably meant they're keeping things the PS3 way. Leaving it to publishers to decide how they'd deal with their own games. I think Sony wouldn't block EA games if those games are DRM-ish. However it wont be a mandatory policy for "the console" This leaves EA and DRM supporters to be hesitant. Because people will still have the option to choose non DRM games.

Microsoft's stand on the other hand is much more confusing. They had their chance to speak about it at E3 but they missed it. Now everybody's angry.



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the2real4mafol said:
I don't know what to believe. I though if something was announced officially, it was final

You mean like where Sony said that the existing free features of PSN would remain free on PS4? Oh wait, they changed their stance and made multiplayer behind the paywall as well as all the other existing PS+ features.



Ckmlb1 said:
osed125 said:

Maybe, but we are underestimating the power of a brand. Imagine EA goes full on with DRM on all consoles, no used games at all. When Mass Effect 4 comes out, people are going to buy it, simple as that.

It's the same as DLC and online passes, people bitch about it all the time, but they are still getting it. That isn't stopping them from buying the game.

If publishers come out with offline DRM you will hear gamers complaining about it to no end, but they will get the game anyway. Publishers know this and they will take advantage of it.

I wouldn't buy ME 4 if they did it and I owned the other 3 at some point. What about all the people switching from Xbox to PS4 because of the DRM stuff now? There's always other games to play, it's not like Mass Effect is the only game around. If they want Fifa there's PES as a replacement, if they want NBA Live there's NBA 2K and so on. EA has been losing a share of the market a while now, they stand to lose more of it if they do things that piss players off. 

Here comes the problem, sales haven't shown anything that makes companies believe that we don't want DRM. Like Nikkon said, SimCity has sold like 1.5 million units, and that game is DRM at it's finest. This is a very powerful indication that gamers really don't care about DRM...it's all "nerd rage" on the internet.

The next problem lies if this becomes an industry standard. Practically every AAA game has DLC (an even worse on-disk DLC) and more companies are doing it every day...yet gamers are still buying DLC. Let's say EA has DRM and Mass Effect 4 sells millions of units...DRM didn't stopped the game from selling, that alone will encourage other publishers to do the same. One day is EA, the other is Ubisoft, then Activision, then Bethesda, then Konami, etc. 

We need to speak with our wallets, and for the few examples we have (SimCity), we aren't doing a great job.



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nightsurge said:
the2real4mafol said:
I don't know what to believe. I though if something was announced officially, it was final

You mean like where Sony said that the existing free features of PSN would remain free on PS4? Oh wait, they changed their stance and made multiplayer behind the paywall as well as all the other existing PS+ features.

When did Sony ever promise to keep mulitplayer free for PS4? They will probably keep it free for PS3. Also, the current PS+ features are bonuses. You are putting something in to get something back. Also, all the entertainment apps like Netflix and the F2P games are not in this paywall at all, so it's not the same as Xbox Live Gold. Only paying for the Multiplayer is the same but PS+ has more value for money 



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Conegamer said:
Wouldn't surprise me. Publishers will likely get quite angry now.

But if they do go DRM, I can see the media turning on Sony. So it's going to be interesting...


Publishers? EA has stated that they never asked for M.S. to use their DRM, it was all Microsoft's idea. As well as the part about only giving a game to some who has been on your gamer friends list for at least 1 month, and then the game will be locked from further sharing. And the required authentication online before playing a game, and checking once a day with M.S. before playing the game you bought at Target, which is spinning around in your new Xbox One, to make sure your neighbor didn't loan you the disk. That's what we are talking about here.