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Multimedialover said:
JinxRake said:
DJEVOLVE said:
All the people in here saying your getting a ps4, you where before any details came out. PS4 fans have a big surprise when most, to all 3rd party developers do the same exact thing as MS. This is going to be the norm. You can blame all the cheap gamers for making this happen. When Gamestop was making record profits, I seen this coming a mile away. This is how I see it. broke people will go to PS4 and not buy many games. People with money and always buy new, will have internet and not see a problem going with MS. This is where MS will win. Exclusives are going to be moving over to xb1 faster than you think.

I'm getting sick of hearing about this since it's all the cheap people that caused it. I always have internet. Who doesn't? People who don't buy games, that's who.


Funny how all apologists think this is only because of money.

No no, candies, this is about a principle that we rally against. That's where the backlash is coming from, not from the problem of money, as many of you so narrowly believe. It's the principle that a company will tell me what I can or cannot do with something I bought, it's the principle that giant corporations dictate on what terms I can or cannot enjoy the things that I give them money for.

I can sell a BluRay disc if I chose to, I can sell any of my many books, I can sell any of my music CDs, I can freaking sell my car, any device in my home, I can even damn well sell my chinchillas...I have that right and that option. Gaming is the only bloated industry that's got its head so far up its ass that it sees it as a GOOD idea to treat its customers like criminals instead of improving services. And the moment I'll see that I can't play games anymore because servers are shut down, or when I'll see I'll get increasingly stripped down games because I just have to DEAL with it as I'm unable to get my money back from a disc, that's when I'll quit gaming altogether and just stick to reading. And it'll probably happen too, because people are in love with corporations that will do anything to suck more money from them and give nothing back.

But hey, at least you'll play as a walrus in Call of Duty 21.


Actually no.

 

Its the poor people who pirate that have caused this. Christ it was estimated that 3 mill copies of Halo 3 were pirated and I believe 2 mill of Gears Of War 2. 

In my local area there is 5 Facebook sellers who sell pirated games. On Facebook. £5 each. £10 each for new games. CRAZY!

Im sure there are those out there who dont earn alot of money but are honest and buy used games or new. But there is a huge population who have chipped consoles and play pirated games.

 

So instead of rallying against a principle rally against Piracy. The movie industry is almost set to become country locked by 2014. Bluray only.

Hence why all Bluray players come with the ability to connect to the internet. 

 

PS4 will 100% have 3rd party publishers using some kind of fee if you buy the game and someone else already registered it to their PSN account. Ubisoft already said at E3 they can do this on PS4. And they followed with it is actually need to save the industy with its ever increasing development costs. 

 

Microsoft of course are looking after their bank balance, but this kind of thing would not have been on the table had digital theft not been so HIGH. 

 

Personally Ive never Pirated. I hold a good job and have a great internet connection. So do all my friends. 

We are all getting Xbox One, because we dont mind Microsoft stopping the sad pathetic billion $ Piracy industry.

I can deal with digitally lending my games to friends in my family list. For no charge.

I can deal with trading my crap games in at designated stores ( not that I trade much at all ) .

But also I love the idea of always on. I love that my phone is, I love that my Tablet is and I love the possibilities of The One and its online functions. 

 

Its the last industry to adopt this, so finnnnnnaaaaalllllllyyyyyyyyy we have it. YAY!!!!

PS4 and The One are actually going for 2 different demographics. 

Someone like me who wants more than a videogame toy, is finally glad to see a console that truly attempts to unify my living room. Whilst providing me with amazing exclusive games.



I think this is one of the best comments. I agree with others concerns but I also understand how bad used gamers and cheap people have ruined the industry. People only think about their rights. Not about the industry and if it will even be around if they keep leaching off of it.



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Mr Puggsly said:
oniyide said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Sometimes I see someone responded to me and I think maybe I'm going to have an intelligent discussion.

Then you see its some crap like this...

So...is the 360 not a different console?

I obviously meant any other relevant console would be an option since the One is the only online required console.

Its annoying to always elaborate because you're pretending you don't have common sense.


nope, im messing with you because its fun to watch a grown man/woman get upset over video games. But 360 is a different console than the One that is a fact.



Honestly, he's right about the 360 thing.

Before you jump down my throat, I think they're showing insane levels of arrogance and it's going to be a tough road ahead of them for that, but consoles, games, and the various apps are becoming more and more connected. Both the Xbox One and the PS4 are built around being online and the games that come out for those are going to be built with online components as well.

All fanboy BS aside, what do you think you would have if you had a PS4 that couldn't get online?

You would have a game with awesome graphics, but that isn't really enough anymore. Unless you're a studio like Naughty Dog, it's really hard to sell a single player only game these days. There are a handful of examples-- Bioshock Infinite and Dishonored come to mind-- but people expect to be connected nowadays. Those single player games rarely sell.

So is it really a huge mistake for a console to be required to be online once per day?

Most places, not all, can support that. Even my parents that live in BFE that have *awful* satellite data capped internet could do that. There are people that cannot do that, like people in the military, and that does suck for them but what use can they get out of a machine built to be online?

I don't think it's the best idea to make a system that has to connect once per day and I'm really worried what happens when Live is down for maintenance, but I don't think it's this horribly huge deal that people are making it out to be. If it were always online, then yes, I'd be raising my pitchfork, once per day, I don't care that much.



oniyide said:


nope, im messing with you because its fun to watch a grown man/woman get upset over video games. But 360 is a different console than the One that is a fact.

Its not about video games, its about you failing to be witty.

Nor am I upset. But maybe I will be if you try a little harder. Who knows?



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J_Allard said:
TheBlackNaruto said:
J_Allard said:
I didn't watch the video.. I assume that as a MS exec, he answered that people should go out and buy a PS4 instead?


Nah....he told them to basically just stick with or get a 360 instead....

Of course he did, it's the only logical answer.

If someone asked Kaz what system someone should buy if they don't want to pay to play online, is he going to answer WiiU, or is he going to answer PS3? And when he does answer PS3, are all these people with Sony avatars/signatures going to call him arrogant or crap on him like they are doing Mattrick? Not a snowballs chance in hell lol.

There is a small, almost unnoticeable difference: other systems don't require an internet connection to play offline. So if someone asked Kaz what system someone should buy if they just want to play offline, he could answer PS4 without any problem. He could also answer any other console except XBone, anyway.



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Alby_da_Wolf said:
J_Allard said:

Of course he did, it's the only logical answer.

If someone asked Kaz what system someone should buy if they don't want to pay to play online, is he going to answer WiiU, or is he going to answer PS3? And when he does answer PS3, are all these people with Sony avatars/signatures going to call him arrogant or crap on him like they are doing Mattrick? Not a snowballs chance in hell lol.

There is a small, almost unnoticeable difference: other systems don't require an internet connection to play offline. So if someone asked Kaz what system someone should buy if they just want to play offline, he could answer PS4 without any problem. He could also answer any other console except XBone, anyway.

Thats.. not what I said. We all know other systems don't require Internet to play online. Mattrick mentioned one in the video. Others have posted other consoles in this thread.

Again, if someone asked Kaz or any other Sony exec, what console someone should buy if they don't want to pay to play online, do you think the Sony execs are going to respond with a WiiU recommendation? Or are they going to say PS3? They are going to say PS3. And when they do respond with PS3, are people going to call that exec greedy or call for his job? No.



J_Allard said:
Alby_da_Wolf said:
J_Allard said:

Of course he did, it's the only logical answer.

If someone asked Kaz what system someone should buy if they don't want to pay to play online, is he going to answer WiiU, or is he going to answer PS3? And when he does answer PS3, are all these people with Sony avatars/signatures going to call him arrogant or crap on him like they are doing Mattrick? Not a snowballs chance in hell lol.

There is a small, almost unnoticeable difference: other systems don't require an internet connection to play offline. So if someone asked Kaz what system someone should buy if they just want to play offline, he could answer PS4 without any problem. He could also answer any other console except XBone, anyway.

Thats.. not what I said. We all know other systems don't require Internet to play online. Mattrick mentioned one in the video. Others have posted other consoles in this thread.

Again, if someone asked Kaz or any other Sony exec, what console someone should buy if they don't want to pay to play online, do you think the Sony execs are going to respond with a WiiU recommendation? Or are they going to say PS3? They are going to say PS3. And when they do respond with PS3, are people going to call that exec greedy or call for his job? No.

OK, I agree too it was the only answer he could give (just like in another thread I wrote MS user support gave the only answer they could give). I don't blame him and I wouldn't blame Kaz for that answer in the hypothetical situation you suggest. Still THIS particular situation is quite surreal and different thanks to that bizarre policy MS enforced: Sony with that crappy decision of starting asking for a fee to let play online multiplayer, obviously forces whoever doesn't want to pay to buy another console, but the online multiplayer policy affects only online multiplayer, OTOH MS online policy affects also offline, I can agree that PR and user support answers must be basically the same and we cannot blame them, but the situations that force them to give those answers aren't really comparable.

To sum it up:

Given the respective policies:

1) PR and user support could only give very similar answers and suggestions to users not liking those policies or simply unable to fulfil the requirements

but

2) they are in this situation due to quite different reasons, Sony policy is crappy for my tastes (I don't like mandatory fee for online multi, I didn't when only MS did it, I still don't like it now, in fact I'll remain a PC gamer) but its effects are self-contained, MS policy is as crappy, but it also affects things that should be outside of its scope, creating unnecessary backlash for the company and putting PR and user support people in embarrassing situations more times than strictly necessary.



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This is something that should be implemented 10 years from now.