now that ps+ is require for online gaming i am no longer fine with it.   ..especially from sony. 

lol so Tretton stood on that stage and deliberately mislead/lied to millions of people in regards to PS4 DRM. Hilarious. And yet some people will still applaud it. Someone should probably edit that Youtube video with an asterisk and put in "* - Depending on publisher."

Personally I am curious to see how publishers handle this. I can't see them not putting DRM on PS4 but then putting it on Xbone.

Like PS3.

They stated in Feb it was upto Publishers.

What MS has done is implement MS DRM - 24hour check. Sony have not done that. This is what they have said.... "we are not doing Drm"... no one has lied.

Jack Tretton was clear though about retail based games and single player. He quite clearly said PS4 games will be playable completely offline. I don't think this is up to the publishers. Is this not something Sony can enforce on publishers?

No he didn't actually. He sat on stage and said "we believe in the model we're using today with Playstation 3"

This is the exact same thing we have NOW. EA could limit your used games now on PS3 if they wanted too, or use some sort of online pass.

This is more in line with the PC, where publishers have a little say about their products but not the entire system. It's highly different from what MSFT is doing because that is a system wide DRM in the form of used games and online connectivity.

Which means you won't be playing online at a friend's house unless you want to pay $10. Or you won't be playing online with a rented game unless you want to pay an extra $10. Also means trade in values go way down and buying a used game isn't so advantageous. Online passes only existed for EA games and Mortal Kombat last gen (on Xbox 360) and it totally killed the used market value for those 2 games.

So, this is literally just confirmation that nothing has changed.

Nothing to see here. Move along.

Oh dear...

Online passes are tied to PSN accounts. So that's not true.