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UltimateUnknown on 04 June 2013

While their exclusives are great, what really shines for me are Sony's hardware and services. It would indeed be a dreadful day for gaming if Sony quit making hardware.

PS3 was a great piece of tech, as was PS2 and PS1. PSN was a great service which let you play MP without having to pay money and gave a unified game experience with your friends. PS Plus was off the hook in terms of the value it game consumers. It has to be one of the most amazing services I have ever used in gaming. On top of all this they also have quality exclusives.

If Sony did exit gaming, having to play exclusively on Nintendo's underpowered console or M$'s excessively manipulative money-grubbing console would kill my gaming heart. I hope Sony lives. Long live Sony.



 

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xwan on 04 June 2013
disolitude said:
bonkers555 said:
disolitude said:
This thread is quite ridiculous...but ill bite.

Sony's time to shine was when the industry needed a new physical medium and complex hardware ever new gen. Since digital distribution is the way to go and DVD/Blurays are no longer needed and x86 is the hardware of choice, I begin to wonder why Sony is still around on the console side.

If PS4 doesn't really take off, Sony can probably make more money being a publisher if they keep making these great games...which is what I actually see happening down the road. Google and Apple will bully someone out of the gaming industry in the next 10 years.

Don't forget Samsung, which show interest in the Video Games market for a while now.

Right...

Honestly, the same way Sony got in to the industry is the way someone like Samsung could get in. (money, hype, cross brand promotions). And who is to say that Samsung won't buy as awesome studios and developers as Sony did? 

I don't see why anyone would shed a tear over Sony or Microsoft in this industry. Any huge corporation can take their place...

Sony has a proven track record of staying game-focus, even if they used their console to push DVD and BluRay. Samsung on the other hand has proven nothing yet, because they haven't even made a single game. I am afraid if Samsung gets into gaming, you will just get a shit-ton of cell phone games on your console. Why would you want to replace a proven, well rounded World Wide Studio with an unproven Samsung is totally weird; eventhough that's how the PS1 got started, the landscape has changed so much, the investment to make a AAA is much higher, the risk is higher and the return for profit has not really change significantly.

And to the other guy "Consumer" will fund it? Where do they get start up funds, making a game takes 3-4 years, you can't do all that with crowd sourcing, you need a giant publisher or platform holder to dishout money for AAA, consumer isn't funding shit until you roll in the green with your game going 'gold'.



Barozi on 04 June 2013
riderz13371 said:
Barozi said:
Just because a company decides to let go of its gaming segment doesn't mean that suddenly the game developers will turn into architects, professional singers or cleaning ladies.

They will just form new studios, probably with the majority of the original team and then start to make games again.
Independant or not. If their games are good enough they're going to get all the money they want to make a game.

In case of Insomniac, they chose to make an FPS, whether it was Overstrike or Fuse, I don't think it would've mattered much in terms of sales. Now even if they go bankrupt, they will either join other devs and make them better or found a new development company.

LOL?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijlVoaa1uqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQfUMw5KJ0Q

Dat backlash.

So what ?
The Overstrike video has only 100k views. Is that supposed to be huge ? Sure it seemed like Overstrike was the better game, but we only saw a cinematic trailer and no gameplay. It would've been a tiny seller anyway as the genre is overcrowded and anything that isn't 85+ doesn't get much recognition and honestly I don't think it would've reached much more than a 70 Metascore.
I believe Overstrike would have doubled Fuse sales. Does it matter ? No.



riderz13371 on 04 June 2013
Barozi said:
riderz13371 said:
Barozi said:
Just because a company decides to let go of its gaming segment doesn't mean that suddenly the game developers will turn into architects, professional singers or cleaning ladies.

They will just form new studios, probably with the majority of the original team and then start to make games again.
Independant or not. If their games are good enough they're going to get all the money they want to make a game.

In case of Insomniac, they chose to make an FPS, whether it was Overstrike or Fuse, I don't think it would've mattered much in terms of sales. Now even if they go bankrupt, they will either join other devs and make them better or found a new development company.

LOL?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ijlVoaa1uqM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQfUMw5KJ0Q

Dat backlash.

So what ?
The Overstrike video has only 100k views. Is that supposed to be huge ? Sure it seemed like Overstrike was the better game, but we only saw a cinematic trailer and no gameplay. It would've been a tiny seller anyway as the genre is overcrowded and anything that isn't 85+ doesn't get much recognition and honestly I don't think it would've reached much more than a 70 Metascore.
I believe Overstrike would have doubled Fuse sales. Does it matter ? No.

I'm not looking at the views I'm looking at the likes/dislikes. Look at the difference. I personally was interested in overstrike and then they changed it to Fuse and it ruined my excitement for the game and ultimately caused Insomniac a lost sale. I'm sure I'm not the only one who went through this. Also @bold, yeah it does matter since you were arguing that it didn't matter much in terms of sales...so...yeah...

All you're doing is assuming whereas I'm actually showing you that people were interested in Overstrike and that they stopped caring after Insomniac turned it into a generic third person shooter.



Player2 on 04 June 2013
xwan said:
Barozi said:
xwan said:
I have got to disagree with that, in terms of Console gaming, the amount of exclusive contents and new IP sony is pushing far exceed what Nintendo has done. Nintendo's agenda was pushing Wii Shovelware with occassional Mario and Zelda IP. If Nintendo doesn't have their handheld, they would be pushing the same game for the past 20 years with minimal innovation.

Nintendo didn't push shovelware for the Wii. Third parties did because they saw the quick money.


What was that game? WarioWare ???

Did you played it?



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Barozi on 04 June 2013
NYCrysis said:
Barozi said:
Just because a company decides to let go of its gaming segment doesn't mean that suddenly the game developers will turn into architects, professional singers or cleaning ladies.

They will just form new studios, probably with the majority of the original team and then start to make games again.
Independant or not. If their games are good enough they're going to get all the money they want to make a game.

In case of Insomniac, they chose to make an FPS, whether it was Overstrike or Fuse, I don't think it would've mattered much in terms of sales. Now even if they go bankrupt, they will either join other devs and make them better or found a new development company.


Who will fund them? It's not all easy going if your studio shuts down or your parent company goes bankrupt. Who will fund the next Naughty Dog Game or the next Media molecule game? If it weren't for Sony there wouldn't even be little big planet and future MM projects. Think about it hard. I have and I am putting my full gaming fund into sony. Also Sony said in the next 2 years they are expecting a 2% profit on about 10billion in revenue on playstation down from 8% (same revenue) that they forcasted (probably to fund more investments though).

No I don't need to because it's a stupid thought.
You really think no one would buy Naughty Dog, Media Molecule or Sony Santa Monica ?

Also even if no one buys them it wouldn't be a problem. Quite a few developers are independent. How do you think they get funded ? They go to publishers, show them their ideas and sign a contract when the publisher likes what the developer does.
Apparently you don't have any faith in these studios or else you would know that no publisher would turn down ideas from these studios.



xwan on 04 June 2013
Player2 said:
xwan said:
Barozi said:
xwan said:
I have got to disagree with that, in terms of Console gaming, the amount of exclusive contents and new IP sony is pushing far exceed what Nintendo has done. Nintendo's agenda was pushing Wii Shovelware with occassional Mario and Zelda IP. If Nintendo doesn't have their handheld, they would be pushing the same game for the past 20 years with minimal innovation.

Nintendo didn't push shovelware for the Wii. Third parties did because they saw the quick money.


What was that game? WarioWare ???

Did you played it?

Yes i did...at my friend's BBQ passing the controller around, it was fun for 30 minutes..then it was the same repeated task -_-



Wright on 04 June 2013
UltimateUnknown said:

 what really shines for me are Sony's hardware


Sony's videocameras are AWESOME. Back in my Journalism school, we work with professional cameras (worth 4000$ each one) made by Sony. The quality is near-cinema.



Barozi on 04 June 2013
riderz13371 said:
Barozi said:

So what ?
The Overstrike video has only 100k views. Is that supposed to be huge ? Sure it seemed like Overstrike was the better game, but we only saw a cinematic trailer and no gameplay. It would've been a tiny seller anyway as the genre is overcrowded and anything that isn't 85+ doesn't get much recognition and honestly I don't think it would've reached much more than a 70 Metascore.
I believe Overstrike would have doubled Fuse sales. Does it matter ? No.

I'm not looking at the views I'm looking at the likes/dislikes. Look at the difference. I personally was interested in overstrike and then they changed it to Fuse and it ruined my excitement for the game and ultimately caused Insomniac a lost sale. I'm sure I'm not the only one who went through this. Also @bold, yeah it does matter since you were arguing that it didn't matter much in terms of sales...so...yeah...

All you're doing is assuming whereas I'm actually showing you that people were interested in Overstrike and that they stopped caring after Insomniac turned it into a generic third person shooter.

And I proved that the game wasn't popular to begin with.
Who cares if 100% liked it, when these only represent a tiny percent of the gaming crowd.
And as I mentioned it was a cinematic trailer, so you were interested in the video foremost and how it *could* translate into a game. That's also just pure speculation.

And no it doesn't matter in sales as 100k on each platform or 200k is disastrous either way. We're talking about EA here and not Atlus or something.



hivycox on 04 June 2013
UltimateUnknown said:

While their exclusives are great, what really shines for me are Sony's hardware and services. It would indeed be a dreadful day for gaming if Sony quit making hardware.

PS3 was a great piece of tech, as was PS2 and PS1. PSN was a great service which let you play MP without having to pay money and gave a unified game experience with your friends. PS Plus was off the hook in terms of the value it game consumers. It has to be one of the most amazing services I have ever used in gaming. On top of all this they also have quality exclusives.

If Sony did exit gaming, having to play exclusively on Nintendo's underpowered console or M$'s excessively manipulative money-grubbing console would kill my gaming heart. I hope Sony lives. Long live Sony.

There goes your credibility! If you have a gaming heart you would go where the good games are! You wouldn't care about tech. You would care about how fun and amazing the games are.