There better be games that will bring the casuals towards the Xbox One in droves because they will not shell out $500 for a settop box console without kinect games. Yes, games are needed to even convince most non-gamers to game. Kinect will probably have 5-6 titles for casuals out of the 15 exclusives so hopefully at least two are a hit. 

As for Sony, I didn't sugarcoat a thing. If saying Sony was being gamercentric....you obviously didn't see the both of their reveals. I am just telling you what you never want to hear.

 Most people, including myself, felt that Nintendo's days of being a voice for the "core" gamer were WELL behind them. In the end though, it's the Wii-U that is the most "gamer centric" of the three consoles. How ironic and fitting is that? The company that saved consoles and started the modern era, is going to be the "last man standing" and stand up for traditional gaming as we know it.

I didn't read all the thread, but:


1) LOL at those desperately trying to spin this against Sony.

2) GameStop and other retailers having an important share of their profits from used games will obviously make everything possible to favour sales of games that don't block or hamper this business of theirs.

If ps4 won't win nextgen, there's certainly a malfunction in the gaming world.
I mean really it's flawless at the time being, we just need to figure out the price and then ps4 will rape its concurrents.

As a guy who has several Game devloper relatives I can tell you that a lot of Developer executies are happy about getting Money back but theyremain sceptical about the DRM Always online thing. This could have been done in a better way, Online passes was a great example

The thread title is misleading. His statement means that the PS4 will have drm against used games, it will just be up to the publishers. So most 3rd party games will block used games. I wouldn't be surprised if Sony blocked used games too, considering that they use online passes.

I'm curious what they are going to do if they allow games to be installed on the system.. I guess something like what xbox 360 does? Where you have to put in the disc to run the game.

Clearly it does have DRM or the publisher wouldn't be able to use it if they wanted, awful thread title.

Sony isn't supporting anything, but they need the third party stuff so MS can't say "Fifa is exclusive to Xbone" in Europe and "Battlefield is exclusive to Xbone" in the US.  That would make them get killed in 3rd party support.  It's not their fault if the 3rd parties are being dicks about it (I don't think most of them are and I think Sony could play chicken and say "you won't make as much money without PS" but alas they can't gamble with that much money and that many jobs).  Just EA pulling support would hurt them a lot but Activision too (I'm not sure if Activision will even do this)?  It's a sucky situation and I definitely respect Nintendo for going the way they did but I can't fault Sony for finding a middle ground to keep support either.

i'm glad Sony don't require it but i wish it wasn't allowed at all. I don't expect many publishers to do this, not many used online passes