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I think it is hard to deny that it was a bad press conference. That doesn't mean that the console will be bad, but that was certainly a bad first impression



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i haven't checked his profile but do we just assume he is a sony loyalist,he might be a nintendo loyalist too

and burt reynolds was great,real big box office back in the day



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Chark said:
J_Allard said:
Uh... there are plenty of people "defending" it though. None of these issues you laid out are issues for everyone.

1. DGAF about the name of any console. Did they "mess up" here? Who knows. What, is someone gonna buy an original Xbox by mistake? No. The name is fine to me, doesn't make a difference. If I wanted cool original names then all 3 next gen consoles suck.

2. Not a fan of the used game DRM but LOL @ no one defending it. There are PLENTY of people who never buy used games and see this as a completely necessary and good thing for the industry. Always-online is no big deal to me. My Internet has been down once in over 6 years living in my house.

3. Kinect makes no difference to me when it comes to games. It will be an awesome live TV feature. It being mandatory is irrelevant. If there are cool games on it, I'll use it for those. If not, it just sits there. You're reaching if this is one of your main complaints imho.

4. You're also reaching when you admit that you know exactly what MS said leading up to the reveal but disregard it anyway. They said games will be the focus at E3, now is the console and the next gen features. And they showed that. You can be disappointed or disagree with the reveal, I think it was fine.

MS messed up for you. They didn't mess up for everyone.


So it doesn't matter whether or not any of the points are done? So nothing positive...only nothing negative for you?

Nothing positive.. out of those 4 things listed. Had he bitched about the cloud, the controller, the multimedia stuff, some of the features, those are positives for me. The name, a Kinect in the box, whining about the reveal.. those are not an issue for me.



Subie_Greg said:

J_Allard said:
Uh... there are plenty of people "defending" it though. None of these issues you laid out are issues for everyone.

1. DGAF about the name of any console. Did they "mess up" here? Who knows. What, is someone gonna buy an original Xbox by mistake? No. The name is fine to me, doesn't make a difference. If I wanted cool original names then all 3 next gen consoles suck.

2. Not a fan of the used game DRM but LOL @ no one defending it. There are PLENTY of people who never buy used games and see this as a completely necessary and good thing for the industry. Always-online is no big deal to me. My Internet has been down once in over 6 years living in my house.

3. Kinect makes no difference to me when it comes to games. It will be an awesome live TV feature. It being mandatory is irrelevant. If there are cool games on it, I'll use it for those. If not, it just sits there. You're reaching if this is one of your main complaints imho.

4. You're also reaching when you admit that you know exactly what MS said leading up to the reveal but disregard it anyway. They said games will be the focus at E3, now is the console and the next gen features. And they showed that. You can be disappointed or disagree with the reveal, I think it was fine.

MS messed up for you. They didn't mess up for everyone.

Yeah but your post is exactly the point I am bringing up. You say plenty of people are defending it and yet your defense of these topics consist of "It's fine to me" "No big deal to me" "makes no difference to me" and again "I think it was fine". Overall the tone of the defense is Ah who gives a shit. Very neutral and Dr. Pepperish

I guess I am trying to say that the defense of these things isn't being fought with positive counter attacks but rather a simply "So What"!!!

You're getting bland responses because your complaints are mostly petty little nuances and very opinionated. The name of the console? We're supposed to put real effort into defending that? Whining about what wasn't in the reveal even though MS specifically said what would not be in there? I gave you positive "counter-attacks" for the other two. Are you looking for mindless shilling or something?



Scratch #3 off the list. It can be turned off in privacy settings.

#1 is subjective (I mean, who like the name "Wii" when it was announced?

#2.....well, Sony isn't exactly denying that PS4 will have DRM. Weird for publishers to demand it from MS but not Sony.

#4 means nothing when the thing actually released. A funny memory to the haters, just like Sony E3 2006. Nothing more.



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Aielyn said:
Subie_Greg said:
4. The reveal. I know some of you will be quick to point out that Microsoft said it wasn't going to focus on gaming until E3. Ok, when you have a reveal for your next GAMING CONSOLE, and you don't focus on gaming... you messed up. Pretty sure Microsoft made fun of Sony for not showing the PS4. The only thing Microsoft did right on May21st was show the console. And many a xbot wished they had handled it like Sony did.

Yeah Microsoft messed up.

The issue wasn't so much that their reveal didn't focus on games. That would have been fine, in the right context.

The problem was that they didn't even provide a solid reason for the lack of games until something like 12 hours *after* the event, when they went into damage control.

They could have opened up their event by going "We've got great games lined up, and we're excited to talk about them, but with E3 so close, we've decided to have a games spectacular at the show, and so we're going to focus on other features of the system right now."... accompanied by some images as teasers. Something as simple as that would have had everyone going into hype mode, speculating about what MS have in store. And if MS considered games to be the most important thing, they would certainly have done something like this.

The fact that they didn't, that games were an afterthought and something to bring out as damage control, rather than as something deserving of dedicated focus in an appropriate location, is what so many gamers are finding so offensive.

Nintendo, in their most recent Nintendo Direct, demonstrated just how much they've got in store for E3 by giving out a significant bit of gaming info ahead of time that would typically have gotten E3 focus. Sony have emphasised gaming repeatedly since the reveal, which I believe focused primarily on games. Microsoft, on the other hand, basically said that being an "entertainment hub" is more important to them than the games. And THAT is how they've messed up, in this respect.

But then, who didn't see this coming? Look at what MS has done with their other new/"upgraded" products over the last 5 or so years. I'm rather surprised that people didn't see this coming. Sony went through something akin to this situation with the whole rootkit fiasco - and that taught them enough of a lesson that they're not going to go all-in with the DRM until it's proven to be safe to do so. MS had no such lesson.

This is a pretty good analysis actually!!



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Furthermore, I think VGChartz should add a "Like"-button.

"whats in the name" is as equivalent to sony not showing PS4 box.



Sales after a few years will tell who messed up



disolitude said:
Sales after a few years will tell who messed up


Truth



Angelus said:
disolitude said:
Sales after a few years will tell who messed up


Truth


For any other company it would be true...

But when you look at how the release is still months away, and add in the fact that Microsoft has butt tons of cash for marketing... It probably won't mean anything. For who they are trying to sell the console to, the effect of a good commerical during a Football game or during The Voice will do more for the casual crowd then the reveal or E3 anyway.