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Don't throw PS4 in this mess.

Xbone messed up, we have yet to see what Sony will do.

As for backwards compat, nobody cares. Xbone and PS4 will have plenty of new games, if you really like old games, keep PS360.



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Wii_R2_Hardcore said:

What are Sony and Microsoft thinking? I seriously don't understand. The Wii U has backwards compatibility with games and controllers. But it is a piece of crap. Why? It is not truly next gen.

And now they are trying to tell me what a truly next gen console is.

I just saw  the same things of the actual generation (or worse) and lots of things unrelated with gaming.

Now I think the Wii U is awesome. Hell even the OUYA is starting to look good.

But seriously the best you can do is buy a gaming PC instead of the PS4 or the Xbox One.

 

Tell me I am wrong and why

Your arguement makes no sense. Ok, you complain about people not treating/acknowledging the Wii U as a next gen console. So why on earth would you only use last gen games (BC) and last gen accessories as your only point as to why Wii U is next gen?

Technically you are right in the fact that people shouldn't be bashing the Wii U for not being next gen but that doesn't excuse the way Nintendo just releases an HD upgrade that people had already had with the 360 and PS3 for many years. You now have your answer as to why people aren't buying a Wii U as well as the reason why everyone call Xbox One/PS4 next gen and not the Wii U. Sony and MS vastly uprage their system as well as launch new OS's and new IP's galore at the beginning of every launch window. Nintendo does somewhat the same thing but for the past five years they haven't done as much as Sony/MS have in the industry. Sony/MS paved the way for the Wii U but Nintendo just stuck to 360/PS3 power tech as opposed to leading the industry into the new gen with the best graphics, physics, gameplay, console features, you name it; PS4 and Xbox One will now deliver on what Nintendidnt.



I think iOS and Android have proven to the general users that you should never lose your content.

Thankfully Nintendo has kept that promise, even if more cumbersome than it should be (wii mode).

MS is saying who cares and Sony will attempt to give an option via its Gaikai service, probably for a nominal fee akin to Wii to WiiU VC upgrades. (not really that bad of an idea)

However, I think I've been proven right with MS and very much Sony in my early 2012 thread regarding smart services and other entertainment being considered equally as important (if no more so) than games on next-gen consoles. Nintendo is clearly the only one with a primary focus on games. Sony is more 50/50 and MS seems to be more smart OS focused.

Only time will tell which one will do better in the market, but I think among "gamers" Nintendo/Sony will be more appealing and among the larger mass market in general, MS will win big... if the cost is appropriate.



i understand the backwards copatable thing. you want to play all your games on one system which i understand, but cost are the reason for this, not that it would cost that much more.



superchunk said:
I think iOS and Android have proven to the general users that you should never lose your content.


I wish that were true. Some good games have failed to maintain compatibility with new devices and OS releases. Others have been yanked due to expired licenses.

It's hard to evaluate how good modern mobile platforms are at maintaining content when they've been around for less time than the current console gen.

You're damn right that, cumbersone though it may be, Nintendo has by far the best track record of backwards compatibility of any console manufacturer.



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Well, it's pretty much consoles trying to become more like PCs in a closed environment. The Xbox One is essentially a glorified HTPC with less functionality, and the PS4 is pretty much the same way. Nintendo is the only company that has not yet fallen for the PC Master Race yet while the other 2 are heading into that direction is all.

The next Xbox and Playstation are literally just dumbed down PCs at this point lol.



Wii_R2_Hardcore said:

What are Sony and Microsoft thinking? I seriously don't understand. The Wii U has backwards compatibility with games and controllers. But it is a piece of crap. Why? It is not truly next gen.

And now they are trying to tell me what a truly next gen console is.

I just saw  the same things of the actual generation (or worse) and lots of things unrelated with gaming.

Now I think the Wii U is awesome. Hell even the OUYA is starting to look good.

But seriously the best you can do is buy a gaming PC instead of the PS4 or the Xbox One.

 

Tell me I am wrong and why

You actually just quoted the reason why Wii-U is not next-gen, aside of it being underpowered. Offering backwards compatibility forces you to use a similair architecture and holds back change. The game developing industry really wanted X86 to make things easier, Sony and Microsoft delivered, Nintendo didn't.



Truly great games are cross generation. Graphics are nothing without a great game behind them. Don't get me wrong, I love a cracking looking game. But I'd certainly take Mario Galaxy 2 over most PS360 games and I don't doubt Nintendo will produce Wii U games that make me feel the same.

These "next generation" connectivity features are really concerning me to be fair. I don't like the way they're basically turning disc products into physical downloads with a single use license. If they do that, I may as well pay £15-20 less for the PC version of the game.

As for backwards compatibility. It's nice to have it all in the same box, but I can't say I care too much as for the most part, I want a new console to play the new games coming out for it. It's also not as if by the time previous systems have seen their lifespan out, there aren't cheap enough and small enough models to keep along side if need be.



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I can see I wasn't able to make my point. Let's try it again: If this is what you call "a true next gen console" then leave things as they are. I am still happy with the current gen. Wii U looks pretty interesting but my backlog of games to play of the Wii-360-ps3 is pretty long as it is so still can wait. Later on with Mario, Zelda and Metroid games it will be just impossible to resist. Nintendo always delivers with games development. And again, the use of the controller brings something new to the table.

TV! Sports! I don't care for that. And if did I already have a Smart TV that can do everything the X1 is suppose to.

About the little OUYA. That is my level hype compared to Microsoft and Sony machines. It is WAAAY cheaper and it is totally open to be fully hacked to do what gamers care about: play games. Opposite to it, the X1 looks like a control freak machine, always online, always listening, it is George Orwell's Big brother right there inside your living room. You have no other choice!

So again, I'll be better off waiting some months and buying a FULLY TRULY NEXT GEN gaming PC. But of course I don't believe the idea of MORE POWERFUL MACHINE= NEXT GEN.

I feel like I am going to spend this year and the next observing what the X1 and the PS4 do, and asking myself: Do I need that? If it is just graphics improvements then I am not impressed.

Go ahead and call that Truly Next Gen consoles. Not a day one buyer here






Next generation..Hmm.Think it like upgrade from ps1 to ps2.You felt you had way superior console compared to last generation console.It was easy back then to notice it, mainly because of graphics upgrade.

Now what I have seen, graphics are little better on xboxOne/ps4 compared to Ps3/Xbox 360, but we dont focus on that anymore because we don't really care that much anymore..

But Wii U graphics are worse than ps3/xbox360.Thats why it doesn't feel next gen if you just look at specs,graphs etc...I myself haven't played Wii U so cant say does it feel that much superior to ps3/xbox360/Wii, but I doubt it has anything that doesn't already exist.
But we cant say that XboxOne/Ps4 are next gen based on my "theory" because we haven't even played them yet..But we know they are 2 most powerful home consoles on the market on release.



 

 

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