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S.T.A.G.E. on 22 May 2013
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

My question about this is how does this prop up PC gaming? I just dont understand it at all. PC gamers are playing the same exact games we're playing (and we're playing more anticipated exclusives depending on the console and if you own three consoles thats just without question). We actually own our games and are dealt with by a unified brand. 

I have a ton of PC games that will never make it to console (in addition to the ones that have). I also own all of my PC games, Steam or disc. Until something happens where I lose everything, that's a silly statement to make.


 Owning PC exclusives is not my issue, I am talking about generally anticipated exclusives and I understand the DOTA/WOW/Valve realm..in which I use Steam myself. PC games are licensed, you're locked into a code, which means you're granted the right to play. If you owned your disc you could trade it. You were granted the right to play your games. If consoles follow that route, true ownership is out the window.



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Zappykins on 22 May 2013

Well, welcome back!

And you well articulated the reason I prefer Microsoft over Apple. Apple has never had the flexibility - only the things they think you will want to do.

We shall see how bad it is. I have a feeling it's might not be so bad. If more money actually goes into the developers so they can make more games, it might be good.

If not, Nintendo seems to be still rather open-ish. If not, there are probably some retro games you have yet to play.



 

Really not sure I see any point of Consol over PC's since Kinect, Wii and other alternative ways to play have been abandoned. 

Top 50 'most fun' game list coming soon!

 

Tell me a funny joke!
S.T.A.G.E. on 22 May 2013
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

My question about this is how does this prop up PC gaming? I just dont understand it at all. PC gamers are playing the same exact games we're playing (and we're playing more anticipated exclusives depending on the console and if you own three consoles thats just without question). We actually own our games and are dealt with by a unified brand. 

I have a ton of PC games that will never make it to console (in addition to the ones that have). I also own all of my PC games, Steam or disc. Until something happens where I lose everything, that's a silly statement to make.


 Owning PC exclusives is not my issue, I am talking about generally anticipated exclusives. PC games are licensed, you're locked into a code, which means you're granted the right to play. If you owned your disc you could trade it. You were granted the right to play your games. If consoles follow that route, true ownership is out the window.

Not really, just tighter monitoring. I can lend my PC game to a buddy of mine, so long as he keeps the code. It's an incovenience of sorts, sure, but not a deal breaker.


Rights when things go digital go up in the air. Its like itunes in a way. You are granted the right to use it on five computers but you dont own the product. PC gaming rights are protected by Valve. As long as they stand your gaming is intact. If they fall apart god help everyone who is dependent on PC gaming. When you buy Blu Ray movies, you own the disc, but they license you a digital copy. Music is heavily licensed if you buy digital.



wfz on 22 May 2013

Wow, I'm confused. You started off by saying you're leaving this site forever, but then you go into a huge spiel about how you're disliking the way console gaming is turning.

Then you start asking for advice on building a PC, post a few more times with more information, and you're online at this very minute. Are you *not* leaving this site? Or are you having one last great night with the woman before you leave her in the morning?

We could use more new PC fans here! :P



darkknightkryta on 22 May 2013

When getting an nVidia card, make sure "Ti" is attached to the number. Also, might as well get an i7, it'll pretty much last you until it burns out. That way you can just upgrade your video card every two-three years and not worry about other specs.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 22 May 2013
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:

I have a ton of PC games that will never make it to console (in addition to the ones that have). I also own all of my PC games, Steam or disc. Until something happens where I lose everything, that's a silly statement to make.


 Owning PC exclusives is not my issue, I am talking about generally anticipated exclusives. PC games are licensed, you're locked into a code, which means you're granted the right to play. If you owned your disc you could trade it. You were granted the right to play your games. If consoles follow that route, true ownership is out the window.

Not really, just tighter monitoring. I can lend my PC game to a buddy of mine, so long as he keeps the code. It's an incovenience of sorts, sure, but not a deal breaker.


Rights when things go digital go up in the air. Its like itunes. You are granted the right to use it on five computers but you dont own the product. PC gaming rights are protected by Valve. As long as they stand your gaming is intact. If they fall apart god help everyone who is dependent on PC gaming.

Perhaps, but right now, there's no reason to have such fears. DRM isn't as bad as many will tell you, it's more of a mighty inconvenience.


Always online is a problem for the world, as well certain parts of America. It shows that MS isnt as confident in their single player experience or are simply just out of touch. The problem MS faces is the used game issue, which we're getting three different stories about now since everyones back peddling.

PC gamers don't have fears because they learned to cope when Valve came and provided sales. They've learned to cope with their loss of ownership and Valves community makes them feel safe with the games that they've purchased. 



Machiavellian on 23 May 2013
theprof00 said:
Dodece it isn't even like that. You're assuming what sony will do based on what ms did, and if I can be frank as well, I could see this coming just from looking at the 360 and their policies regarding that.
Sony won't make this mistake, sure they may be pressured by ea, but you know what, at least they didn't impose this required system. And its likely that only companies like ea will do it, which imo aren't great devs to begin with.
Other companies won't, and this is actually their chance for devs to learn a hard lesson while everything else will sell normally, and they'll be boycotted.

But sure sonyspurned you once. But I won't let you make wild accusations based on assumptions that we could instead have answers to in two weeks.

Why do people act like Sony does not have DRM in place.  If Sony supports DRM from the publisher then the system has DRM to enforce such measures.  What we have not received from Sony is how will this be implemented.  Sony has been very craggy on not providing this information and a lot of people are giving them a pass without complete knowledge.



shakarak on 23 May 2013

I feel you. As a Nintendo gamer later in the last generation I realized that they weren't catering to all my needs. I love my charming Nintendo games that I can really enjoy and couldn't live with out. There was however, a need to keep getting my 'hardcore' on with large more in depth games. I became a PC gamer/Nintendo gamer last gen to cater to both my needs. While I have about 35 games on my Wii and 4 on my Wii U. I have 128 on my steam account and 10 not on steam. It's been the best decision in my gaming career. Add me on steam if you get a chance!



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 May 2013
Machiavellian said:
theprof00 said:
Dodece it isn't even like that. You're assuming what sony will do based on what ms did, and if I can be frank as well, I could see this coming just from looking at the 360 and their policies regarding that.
Sony won't make this mistake, sure they may be pressured by ea, but you know what, at least they didn't impose this required system. And its likely that only companies like ea will do it, which imo aren't great devs to begin with.
Other companies won't, and this is actually their chance for devs to learn a hard lesson while everything else will sell normally, and they'll be boycotted.

But sure sonyspurned you once. But I won't let you make wild accusations based on assumptions that we could instead have answers to in two weeks.

Why do people act like Sony does not have DRM in place.  If Sony supports DRM from the publisher then the system has DRM to enforce such measures.  What we have not received from Sony is how will this be implemented.  Sony has been very craggy on not providing this information and a lot of people are giving them a pass without complete knowledge.


Sony never divulged the info, so we'll now see the media press Sony. I doubt they will though have DRM. Thats kind of MS bag for American gamers.



S.T.A.G.E. on 23 May 2013
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
CGI-Quality said:

Not really, just tighter monitoring. I can lend my PC game to a buddy of mine, so long as he keeps the code. It's an incovenience of sorts, sure, but not a deal breaker.


Rights when things go digital go up in the air. Its like itunes. You are granted the right to use it on five computers but you dont own the product. PC gaming rights are protected by Valve. As long as they stand your gaming is intact. If they fall apart god help everyone who is dependent on PC gaming.

Perhaps, but right now, there's no reason to have such fears. DRM isn't as bad as many will tell you, it's more of a mighty inconvenience.


Always online is a problem for the world, as well certain parts of America. It shows that MS isnt as confident in their single player experience or are simply just out of touch. The problem MS faces is the used game issue, which we're getting three different stories about now since everyones back peddling.

PC gamers don't have fears because they learned to cope when Valve came and provided sales. They've learned to cope with their loss of ownership and Valves community makes them feel safe with the games that they've purchased. 

They learned to cope because you don't need Steam to enjoy PC gaming, and, you can play offline as well. For consolites, I understand, it's new ground, but, it's not as serious as many think it will be.


Oh trust me I used to game on the PC really hardcore when I was younger but I stopped, especially when Battlefield 1942 was big on PC. It went stagnant for a few years and then Valve blew up.